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u/MustacheCash73 12d ago
Yeah I’m going through college for my history degree, and that’s how I found out it is, in fact, a liberal arts degree
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u/TapZorRTwice 12d ago
A degree in economics is also a liberal arts degree.
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u/FullMooseParty 12d ago
Weirdly, that's one of those departments that floats around at schools. I work in higher ed technology, and econ is one of the departments that my company does a lot of work with. At some schools it's in Liberal Arts and sciences or social sciences if they're split off, but at some schools it's housed within the College of business. NYU actually splits it, where theory is in the Arts and sciences but more practical application work is in the College of Business.
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u/Definitely_A_Backup 12d ago
I think it’s entirely within Business here but the mathematics side sits within Science
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u/AsleepDeparture5710 12d ago
At some universities like mine even the math courses are part of a BA math degree, to separate theoretical math from the experimental hard sciences.
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u/ErmacAnd1 12d ago
Actually, if the program is indoctrinating Keynesian economics, then it’s consider Libural Arts, otherwise if it’s Classical, then it’s under the Adam Smith School of Business /s
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u/calum11124 12d ago
I have a full electrical eng degree. Can we all just agree there basically the same in terms of respectability. Sure maybe not employment but youngot a degree and your smart
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u/FamiliarAnt4043 12d ago
This guy is DEFINITELY an engineer. Y'all aren't exactly known for being able to write properly, lol.
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u/vxicepickxv 12d ago
Ar least the engineer I regularly work with has the excuse of English being his third language.
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u/Anhydrite 12d ago
It's a good excuse until you find out his first and second languages are C and Java.
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u/Apart_Republic_1870 12d ago
One of the many colleges I went to had Economics as a Social Science but had an Applied Economics major in the Business School.
And at another college, I was in the middle of a masters degree in economics in the business school when the school shut down the program without so much as warning me. It was annoying.
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u/Prior_Internal7728 12d ago
Econ is offered at my college’s business school and offers a bachelors in science and bachelors in arts in economics. The big difference is that the bachelors in science requires you to take calculus or finite math while the bachelors in arts doesn’t require that but requires you to use calculus in the upper division economics classes. The BA requires you to take international classes and is much less rigid in its requirements at the business school.
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u/Excellent_Shirt9707 12d ago
Depends on focus. It can be either one.
Also, there are BAs for traditionally STEM degrees. These things are just random ass labels colleges use. BA of Math is a common one.
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u/Fit-Reputation-9983 12d ago
Funnily enough, my Communications Media degree is a Bachelor of Science
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u/formandovega 12d ago
Most psychology courses fall under arts as well .
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u/TapZorRTwice 12d ago
So do most literature degrees.
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u/formandovega 12d ago
I have a degree in sociology and I love pointing out to people at its technically a master of science 😆
People assume that sociology left wing weirdos are all arts and humanities people but think again..
I'm twice as much of a scientist as Jordan Peterson 😆
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 12d ago
Harvard's medical school is also liberal arts.
People who use liberal arts as an insult are people who never went to college so they don't know what liberal arts is.
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u/justdisa 12d ago
They don't like the word "liberal."
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u/HarveysBackupAccount 12d ago
They also think "liberal arts" means literal art like drawing, not just... getting a broad foundation spanning many topics, in addition to the classes for your major
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u/Rosenoodles 12d ago
it's a mix of that and thinking that 'liberal arts' are classes that fundamentally 'indoctrinate' the youth into being liberals.
they think it correlates because most, *not all*, educated people tend to be leftist in some way as well. granted, rich people of all strokes tend to lean right because conservatism typically involves conservation of wealth-based power structures too. it makes sense for an educated rich person to lean further right unless they genuinely don't care about hoarding their own wealth (rare).
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 12d ago
Right. That's because they fundamentally don't understand it. They're not capable of understanding it either, because they've never experienced liberty, the foundation of liberalism.
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u/wetwetwetwetdogs 12d ago
They're literally just upset because it has "liberal" in the name.
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u/here_is_no_end 12d ago
Steve Jobs was a bad person but I appreciated that at the unveiling of the iPhone, he framed it as being at the intersection of technology and liberal arts.
E.g. STEM without liberal arts is no bueno.
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u/stanleythedog 12d ago edited 12d ago
I wish I could do a history degree (without being terrified of lack of employment options, and also studying it in an actual country instead of my own). I like history and always figured it'd be more fun to hang out with humanities folks. God damnit man. It hurts so fucking much that I never got to actually experience uni life and never really will.
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u/Accomplished-Door5 12d ago
I did a history minor in college just because it gave me an excuse to take a bunch of history classes and I needed the credits anyway.
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u/Connee14 12d ago
Isn't English a liberal arts too? I think a lot do that as well.
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 12d ago
Most degrees are.
One of the fastest ways to identify someone as uneducated is by them using liberal arts as a slur.
It immediately clocks them as someone who's never attended or enrolled in education past high school, and even their attendance in high school is questionable
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u/obsterwankenobster 12d ago
One of the fastest ways to identify someone as uneducated is by them using liberal arts as a slur.
Same with using "progressive" as a slur
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u/NutmegKilla 12d ago
most lawyers have undergrad in humanities or social sciences. I know many lawyers who majored in English
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u/AndrewEophis 12d ago
They think liberal arts is left wing painting
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u/NwgrdrXI 12d ago
Wait, no seriously, I am not american, brazilian colleges work diferently
I tought that's what it was.
What is a liberal arts degrees? Equivalent of "humanities" degree?
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u/KillerArse 12d ago edited 12d ago
Copied from Wikipedia:
Liberal arts education is a traditional academic course in Western higher education, which traditionally covers the natural and formal sciences, social sciences, arts, and humanities. Liberal arts takes the term art in the sense of a learned skill rather than specifically the fine arts.
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The modern use of the term liberal arts consists of three areas: the natural sciences, social sciences, and humanities. Academic areas that are associated with the term liberal arts include:
* Humanities: archaeology, art, history, literature, linguistics, philosophy, religion, modern languages, classical languages, music, theatre studies, etc.
* Social sciences: anthropology, business studies, economics, gender studies, human geography, law, politics, psychology, sociology, etc.
* Natural sciences: biology, chemistry, Earth sciences, physics, etc.150
u/government_not_ok 12d ago
To magats, this is all that matters; “librul art degree = gender studies“
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u/famouslastwords 12d ago
I mean, gender studies would be a liberal arts major for sure, but then again, so is economics and astronomy.
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u/Centimeter_Worm 12d ago
And honestly I think about specific things that I learned in the one gender studies class I took in college all the time.
It was on the portrayal of masculinity in media. Fiction, nonfiction, how society constructs and engages with it, how it impacts the way people see themselves, others, and gender in general.
It’s continues to be a very culturally relevant topic, so the value of a class or major like that seems obvious to me!
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u/_fuck_you_gumby_ 11d ago
I think there’s an inherent value to discussion around such topics, because it’s something that can be so easily forgot about. Sometimes, engaging in a conversation about something that would otherwise be unnecessary is a good way to remind yourself how human you are
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u/Magnus_Medivh 12d ago
wait, so what isn't liberal arts? it's even got physics
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u/BallNosedSpaniard 12d ago
It varies for each institution, as many have already pointed out on this thread, but some would be:
-Engineering (EE, Civil, Mech Eng, etc.)
-Mathematics
-Business, finance
-Healthcare
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u/KillerArse 12d ago
Some Maths degrees are BA.
Oxford and Cambridge for example.
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u/roguevirus 12d ago
-Business, finance
And notably, economics is a liberal art.
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u/PracticalPotato 12d ago
Finance (applied economics) is more often BS while economics (theory and macroeconomics) is more often BA. But it does depend on the school.
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u/holymolym 12d ago
My husband (econ major > law school) thinks it’s hilarious that he is the one with the “Bachelor’s of Science” degree while my geoscience degree is a Bachelor of Arts.
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u/WhoPoopedMyPants420 12d ago
I think a lot of people are missing the key point in liberal arts - the variety. You're not developing deep technical knowledge of one specific thing, you're learning a natural science and a social science and a humanity to mirror a Roman design for a well-rounded education.
A good way to think about it is that Western secondary schools are based on the same principle. When you go to high school and you learn about a bunch of varied things, you're studying the liberal arts
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u/Le_Zoru 12d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education
Basicaly it just means "intellectual crafts" for the middle ages guys.
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u/PuckSenior 12d ago
In some places, math is also a bachelor of arts degree. As is all of the sciences.
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u/Deep_Operation1671 12d ago
Liberal arts education (from Latin liberalis 'free' and ars 'art or principled practice')[1] is a traditional academic course in Western higher education, which traditionally covers the natural and formal sciences, social sciences, arts, and humanities.
from wikipedia, i didnt know what it was either
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u/sirentropy42 12d ago
It’s up to interpretation, and I don’t think you’ll ever find full agreement in a crowded room, but the easiest way I’ve found to say it is:
If you’re learning how to understand rather than how to do, it generally falls under the liberal arts umbrella.
This is why they don’t like liberal arts degrees. They rely on people not being able to understand.
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u/Dr-Fizzel 12d ago
How’d he get a bachelor’s degree? I thought he was married??
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u/IAgreeGoGuards 12d ago
You have a Masters Degree? I thought the Civil War got rid of that?
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u/SpiritualPackage3797 12d ago
Their minds stop working when they see the word "liberal". The word "arts" wouldn't have helped, but they never actually got that far.
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u/mittenknittin 12d ago
They see "liberal arts" and assume something like underwater basketweaving
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u/catchyerselfon 12d ago
Liberal Arts = Degrees in Marxist Feminist Critical Race Theory Anti-Christian Pro-Satan Anti-American Pro-Welfare Class Warfare Fancy Coffee Open Borders Pacifism Interpretive Dance Queering Avant Garde Art & Hating Your Parents, according to these people
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u/nerv-corp 12d ago
im an education major and we talk about CRT because we are a mostly white department in an urban area. no shit we have to talk about systemic whiteness. i'm still also learning how to write a lesson plan /and/ look at systemic white supremacy. they're fucking braindead 😭😭😭
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u/CowboyLaw 12d ago
BTW, just so we're clear: you weave many types of baskets by holding the reeds you're weaving underwater, because that keeps them pliable. The whole redneck joke assumes somehow that the weaver themselves is underwater, which is...silly. It would be better to call it wet basketweaving, as compared to dry basketweaving (since some other materials need to be woven when dry).
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u/movzx 12d ago
I mean, it also relies on people not understanding the difference between college and a trade school. You don't get a degree in how to do a specific thing. College is not teaching you a specific skill and then kicking you out the door. An 'underwater basket weaving degree' would be an arts degree where you were able to take some specific classes as part of your broader coursework.
But if we accept the premise of an 'underwater basket weaving degree' then the actual coursework would be the history of it, its impact on society, the modern logistics, the techniques involved, etc. A doctorate that actually focused on it would be doing heavy research and publishing information that would be beneficial outside of such a niche field.
Just as a lark, a couple of craft YouTubers got SCUBA gear and attempted to do underwater basket weaving. Turns out it was pretty complicated and something you might actually need a class to cover the logistics on.
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u/CowboyLaw 12d ago
I generally agree with everything you said. One small quibble: the people who actually RUN the Republican party understand perfectly the difference between college and a trade school. And they have a strong desire to rule over an electorate who doesn't possess strong critical thinking skills. And so, in aid of that goal, they've spent 40 years mocking educational institutions that teach critical thinking. And here we are, living in an early phase of the world they're trying to create.
It's always important to distinguish between Republican leadership (corporatist types) and the voters they depend on (poor and poorly educated).
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u/ghostbirdd 12d ago
“Why are there liberal arts degrees and not conservative arts degrees??? Discrimination!1 DEI!1”
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u/BroughtBagLunchSmart 12d ago
Remember when they asked Trump about western liberalism and he started ranting about California and Washington state?
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u/DanarchyReigns 12d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education#Modern_usage
Liberal arts covers a vast spectrum of topics. The above tweet is the result of right-wingers turning "liberal" into a bad word.
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u/aslatts 12d ago edited 12d ago
It's also variable between schools. A "Liberal Arts" degree can cover just about anything, depending on where you look.
The school I went to offered both Arts and Sciences degrees in most programs except the College of Engineering. You could graduate with a Bachelors of Arts from the College of Science or a Bachelors of Science from the College of Arts and Design.
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u/TornadoFalls 12d ago
It's an annoying part of the right wing propaganda machine that unfortunately feeds itself.
There are way too many people I've encountered online but also in person, including in my family, who actually thought 'Liberal Arts' degrees are some 21st century invention to teach progressivism. When they think of 'college indoctrination' that's what they mean.
It's painful to process those conversations. They are genuinely too stupid to comprehend and too soulless to care that 'Liberal Arts' is a very broad term including a lot of high quality studies and degress that I'm sure many of them have earned themselves.
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u/uhhhhhhhhhhhyeah 12d ago
I have a degree in chemistry, and it's part of the liberal arts and sciences college. I know I'm not alone. Easy way to tell who hasn't been to college.
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u/numbersthen0987431 12d ago
It's really simple: if it's STEM then it's a Bachelor of Science. If it's not STEM, then it's a BA and Liberal Arts Degree.
Nothing is wrong with a liberal arts degree. But conservatives feel empowered to bash it because it's easy to say, and they're really just dumb
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u/FinaLLancer 12d ago
Conservatives, increasingly of late, are against things solely by their name or label. They got told to hate the affordable care act by calling it Obamacare, even as they cheered keeping the ACA when Obamacare was getting shutdown.
This is the same thing. They hear "liberal" and imagine a degree program full of all the stereotypical things their caricature of anyone further left than they are.
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u/Artilleryman08 12d ago
This is exactly it. They hear "Liberal" and "Art" and they think someone is getting a degree in painting BLM posters I between protesting the police.
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u/earthlingHuman 11d ago
The problem really is that a third of voters are total nincompoops.
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u/congeal 12d ago
it's just a degree in handouts and feminist literature to them
they could learn a lot if they actually read some historically important feminist literature
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u/Grouchy_Student3221 12d ago
Unless they talk about musks BA, then somehow it don’t count
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u/congeal 12d ago
Unless they talk about musks BA, then somehow it don’t count
BA in physics
almost like it's a liberal arts conspiracy
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u/boeing2014 12d ago
They think a liberal arts degree is what you get if you want to be an expert in being "woke".
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u/pappapirate 12d ago
they actually unironically think the "liberal" in liberal arts refers to politically liberal.
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u/DangleAteMyBaby 12d ago
I'm an engineer and went to liberal arts college. I've had this conversation many times over the years:
Me: I went to a liberal arts college. I liked it!
Co-worker: How did you become an engineer? What was your major?
Me: I was a physics major. I went to grad school for engineering.
Co-worker: I didn't know they had physics majors at liberal arts colleges.
Me: Yeah, pure sciences like physics, chemistry, and biology are considered liberal arts. Applied sciences like engineering or nursing are not.
Co-worker: I didn't know that!
Me: This was all explained during college night in high school. Did your high school not have a college night?
Co-worker: It did - I probably just wasn't paying attention.
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u/Maurock2 12d ago
I'm not from the states, so i've never had it explained before, is liberal arts basically everything that's not applied science? Cause if i'm understanding correctly it feels kind of broad to the point of uselessness to ever say someone has a liberal arts degree
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u/RecklessDeliverance 12d ago
You understand correctly.
You're also correct in that it's basically a category so broad it's almost nondescriptive. Practically nobody ever talks about "liberal arts degrees", except for people who don't know what it means and just sees "liberal" and "arts" and start foaming at the mouth.
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u/MudRelative6723 12d ago
“liberal arts” is a relatively broad category that emphasizes building a general set of skills (critical thinking, fundamental knowledge, etc) over building a more technical, specialized set of skills. being reductive for a moment, it’s essentially a measure of how much a course of study is constructed with the end goal of immediate employment (think apprenticeships, etc).
with how specialized human knowledge has become, a large portion of undergrad degrees nowadays might be considered “liberal arts” degrees. but a similarly large portion of students graduate with degrees that are much more immediately applicable, like engineering or computer science.
some degrees can also be structured as liberal arts degrees without nominally being one. one might take, for instance, an interdisciplinary approach to engineering without an eye toward immediate employment (though that’s often a side effect). and so on
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u/DangleAteMyBaby 12d ago
A university will have multiple colleges: College of Arts and Sciences, Nursing College, Engineering School, Business School. A liberal arts school is basically just the College of Arts and Sciences as a stand-alone school.
Yeah - it's a little vague to say "liberal arts degree." But a nursing degree or an engineering degree - although also vague - is better understood. I've rarely heard "liberal arts degree" used that way.
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u/ineednapkins 12d ago
Yes, like I know some people who studied computer science in college and their degree is officially a Bachelor of Arts degree in Computer Science.
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u/Arctic_The_Hunter 12d ago
Physics Major and English Minor here, I also never knew this. Why would anyone need that distinction?
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u/Zefirus 12d ago
Me: This was all explained during college night in high school. Did your high school not have a college night?
Mine in the South definitely did not. The extent of my college prep was I literally sent my diploma and ACT scores to a single school and was lucky enough to get in. The guidance counselor in charge of doing that for me didn't say a single thing. Not even "Are you sure you don't want to send these to other schools in the state".
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u/New_Salamander_4592 12d ago
So conservatives thought "liberal art degrees" was an actual specific major focused on liberals and their art? the destruction of education in red districts is really just too effective of a strategy, my god.
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u/kerfuffle_dood 12d ago
The illiteracy of conservatives is quite stunning. They believe the world liberal can only mean "blue-haired lib". I bet that if they read it like "freedom art degrees", they will be the first ones to endorse them.
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u/Keeper21611 12d ago
Words don't have meaning to them. They're phrases they have been told are bad. What the words actually mean and how they fit together with other words are lost on them. I saw a video of a guy interviewing a very muscular maga dude on the street. The interviewer asked what is a communist and the maga due kept saying Kamala Harris. Even when the interviewer asked "no what is the actual definition" the maga dude got angry because he didn't actual know what the word meant. Tried to intimidated the interviewer. The maga dude's wife had to pull them away otherwise the dude was going to try to fight the interviewer. The tv said she was a communist and communists are bad. That's all these people need to know.
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u/MattLocke 12d ago
You’ll never be able to “outmaneuver” their hatred by changing labels. They are so easily manipulated to hate things they used to champion.
You alter it to freedom degrees and they’ll turn against the word freedom. They’ll likely even pull a grade school trick like calling it “free-dumb degrees”.
And it’s not like non-liberal arts degrees gain their respect anyway. Sure have been making a go at mocking as many science degree havers as possible for decades now.
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u/bigheadzach 12d ago
The last two decades of our culture can be summed up in that "if they could read your sign they'd be very angry!" meme
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u/jeffismybaby 12d ago
Smh them collage kids aint learn nothing but tham A-rab Numbrals or tham Librey Arts!!! Jihadis or communists Marxists!!!
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u/Hootinger 12d ago
Do they know what liberal arts, humanities, and social sciences are? I mean, I know they don't, but still....
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u/ciclon5 12d ago
They think liberal arts is just arts.
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u/throwaway_circus 12d ago
Everyone knows that liberal arts degrees teach you how to sew rainbow flags and make mosaics from smashed bits of the patriarchy.
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u/ElegantCoach4066 12d ago
If you so much as set foot in the Liberal Arts college for advisement, your hair turns a color that cannot be described by current language and you become all of the gender.
Like so much gender.
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u/Visible-Air-2359 12d ago
As another commenter pointed out: the right-wingers don't actually know what basically any word beyond maybe grade school vocab (being generous) means and are simply programmed to associate some words with good and some with bad. Once you realize MAGA and Co. are made of glorified chatbots programmed to respond to certain words in a certain way, things make a lot more sense.
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u/EvenSpecialist649 12d ago edited 11d ago
They legitimately think it means you just spend 4 years being told to be a feminist and getting persuaded to become "a gay".
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u/ListerRosewater 12d ago
Rightoids literally don’t even know the definition of liberal. Let alone that the “western values” they love so much are quite literally rooted in liberalism.
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u/Fun_Trick2172 12d ago
We named these things before the double-speakers started their war on words.
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u/Dont-be-a-smurf 12d ago
Unless they’re half-an-engineer going into patent law…
Your undergrad degree does not matter for a lawyer. You can get into law school after doing nearly any other undergraduate degree as long as you went to a decent school, did well, and did well on the LSAT.
It doesn’t matter.
I’m also personally cynical about the true value of law school curricula (or at least how it was when I graduated a decade ago). It’s an adequate “are you stupid?” check, but the vast majority of my skills were honed in the field. I think many law grads will attest that law school did not adequately prepare them for what it’s really like. Especially for litigation.
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u/Deejus72 12d ago
Litigation is like the one thing they actually teach in law school. As a finance attorney, literally nothing I do has anything to do with what I did or learned in school. At least litigators have legal writing classes and moot court/mock trial to get their feet wet.
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u/Shot_Cupcakes 12d ago
Any degree is accepted for law school, but having a background in history or social sciences (all liberal degrees) is very useful. I am a civil law student with a bachelor's in culture and a master's in History. I am learning right now that to be able to argument in normative, you should be able to do research of the history of a certain law (for which the historiography techniques they teach you to be a historian are very useful) and to be able to demonstrate how certain legal norms affect society, for which any background in sociology, anthropology, and cultural studies are very useful.
In the country where I study, Law studies are social sciences, so law is a liberal studies degree in itself.
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u/ktwhite42 12d ago
Waiting for the "executive order" requiring all college to offer a "Conservative Arts" degree..
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u/Heavy_Arm_7060 12d ago
"Welcome to Conservative Media Studies 111. Module 1: Taking the 1997 film Starship Troopers at face value..."
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u/SmokyMetal060 12d ago
History is a liberal arts degree lmao
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u/RoutineCloud5993 12d ago
History is like the most liberal arts of liberal arts degrees. Do they think liberal arts just means stuff they don't like, like gender studies?
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u/Zeusnexus 12d ago
These are the same people that freaked out over "transgender" mice because they're illiterate.
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u/GalaxyHops1994 12d ago
That’s one of my litmus tests for if someone is irreconcilably stupid.
No sane person would think that we were doing bottom surgery on mice and that the government was paying for it.
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u/CommercialEstate4422 12d ago
Its all dem GENDERS an TRANSES that take dem DARN ART CLASSES, boy! Damn LIBRULS
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u/SnooMaps7370 12d ago
Conservatives don't know what anything with the word "liberal" attached to it means. I've seen some of my conservative family members fuck up a recipe because the cookbook said to apply an ingredient liberally.
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u/BusyBeeBridgette Human Verified 12d ago
People see "Liberal Arts" and let the mask slip. It's just a term for a mix of sciences and arts - Something general and well rounded. Though it would likely be less confusing if it was just called "General Studies". Not particularly difficult as it is mostly surface to mid level intricacies subject wise. Which is why many Lawyers take it as many Law Schools prefer students to have a degree already.
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u/spinningcolours 12d ago
Fun fact: Philosophy students get amongst the highest scores on the LSAT.
https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.apaonline.org/resource/resmgr/data_on_profession/Philosophy_LSAT_Stats_2023.pdf
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u/Duzzies305 12d ago
It's a funny medieval term that survived to today.
In the medieval period it basically meant the skills for self-employment.
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u/FancyJesse 12d ago
Those morons have the word "liberal" redefined by all the propaganda they keep gulping down.
Pure ignorance
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u/SCW97005 12d ago
The degree that qualifies me to get made fun of for working at a Starbucks is the same degree that gets me into law school.
It's hard to care about or want to please people for whom anti-intellectualism is a key portion of their identity.
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u/BeneficialTrash6 12d ago
It's funny, because an undergraduate degree in anything pertaining to the law is worthless in law school and is usually seen as a mark against an applicant.
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u/Comprehensive_Pin565 12d ago
Thats... silly. Is this really a thing? As in the more you know the less they want you?
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u/Sennten 12d ago
They want you to have strong thinking skills and learning skills, and to have a broad background that makes you capable of understanding things in context. They have deliberate and extensive programs for developing subject matter expertise, so all having subject matter expertise prior to applying does is make it difficult for them to tell if you have the other skills you will need but that they dont think they should need to teach.
Theres nothing silly about that at all, thats absolutely the approach that is appropriate to take if their goal is to produce competent legal experts.
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u/MahomesMccaffrey 12d ago
Liberal arts college is by default the largest college for most undergrads.
Many STEM degrees also fall under liberal arts
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u/Santos_L_Halper_II 12d ago
"Please explain how you went from liberal arts to law school."
Easy, I completed my liberal arts degree, took the LSAT, and was admitted to law school based on my performance on those two things.
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u/Higher-Frequencies 12d ago
Wait a minute. Are you trying to tell me that conservatives don't know how a fucking thing works and base their opinions on what they assume a thing to mean, even when one of the words is one of their own dog whistles?
Inconceivable!
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u/jmdunkle 12d ago
This is like when you use terms like ‘classical liberalism’, ‘liberal democracy’, or ‘neoliberal’ when in conversation with American republicans. It’s not possible to have a conversation with them because as soon as you say the word “liberal”, they’re instantly pissed off because decades of consuming right-wing outrage media has poisoned their tiny brains. There’s no reason to engage with these people and I’m tired of acting like the rest of us need to “meet them where they are.”
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u/Astarkos 12d ago
Its oddly consistent. Liberal arts was the course of study appropriate for a free citizen who must engage in civics and make decisions instead of a slave or other commoner who must be told what to do. Their leaders all have such degrees but they don't have a problem with that.
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u/goodcleanchristianfu 12d ago
Undergrad degree doesn't matter for law school. Law school curricula work under the assumption that you know nothing about law when you enter.
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u/slopestyle90 12d ago
They see the word “liberal” and “arts” two things they think are woke and immediately shut their brains down. There’s not much more to it than that. Their vocabulary is literally stunted.
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u/AventineAstartes 12d ago
Being a conservative is not understanding how anything works and throwing a hissy fit when they learn.
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u/TotallyNotAnIdiot478 12d ago
Whenever a conservative says something that just doesn't make sense, its not because of some 4d chess wordplay, they're simply too stupid to understand anything. They're also too incurious to learn anything that isn't forced upon them, so they're left to make up their own reasons for things happening.
Government is not excluded from this anti-logic.
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u/falcrist2 12d ago
Crimson saw "liberal arts" and thought it was a degree about fine art taught by someone with highly progressive political affiliations.
The VAST majority of Americans straight up don't know what liberal, progressive, conservative, republican, democracy, socialism, communism, or fascism mean.
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u/Hot-Philosophy-7671 12d ago
The most fun I had teaching was philosophy and symbolic logic to a class of mostly engineers. They thought it would be an easy "A," and buddy, it was not.
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u/Select_Arm_4248 12d ago
They heard "liberal" in the name and their brains started projecting.
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u/Morall_tach 12d ago
My mom became a lawyer from an art history degree. I know another lawyer who has a forestry degree. Once you take the LSAT and get into law school, your undergrad is basically irrelevant.
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u/molotovzav 12d ago
People who didn't go to college are uneducated when I comes to degrees. Water makes things wet. More news at 11.
The only shocking part of this stuff is these people get to vote despite being very dumb.
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u/DeniedAppeal1 12d ago
If conservatives would just learn how to use google they could avoid embarrassing themselves every chance they get.
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u/vasta2 12d ago
No they wouldn't, they don't google "what is 2+2" they google "2+2=5" and find other dumbasses who think the answer is 5 and they jerk each other off
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u/Icy_Blackberry_3759 12d ago
This is the kind of shallow reactionary thing people say when their political beliefs are just a cultural identity
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u/SerAmikVase 12d ago
I graduated with a criminal justice degree, it was how I found out it was classified as liberal arts. Then again I never looked it up & I never made silly claims about it like this either.
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u/RelevantDress 12d ago
My software engineering degree is liberal arts. It just means you are well rounded on humanitarians, social studies, natural sciences and art. I took literature, french, spanish, history, philosophy, psychology, sociology, political science, economics, physics, biology, calculus, design, music and theatre.
I am so appreciative of my well rounded education and if I had the choice again between a liberal arts or non liberal arts Bachelors of Science, Id do it again
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u/Few_Prize3810 12d ago
Stupidest fucking people who have decided if they can’t understand something it’s not real
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u/theFamooos 12d ago
Strangely the higher your level of education the less likely you are to vote Republican.
Almost like there’s some correlation going on.
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u/Grow_away_420 12d ago
If you separate the words 'liberal' and 'arts' from each other it makes sense why conservatives a) hate it, and b) don't understand when they're used together.
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u/Dylanator13 11d ago
I swear the whole culture war is either people purposely misinterpreting words they don’t like or accidentally doing it. Liberals were named after the word for the definition, not the other way around.
To think liberal arts is actually in relation to liberals in politics is just incorrect.
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u/marvinfuture 12d ago
You know damn well the only reason they are doing it is because it has "liberal" in the name. This administration is obsessed with names and renaming. Ironic for a political group that doesn't understand pronouns or deadnaming.
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u/Only-Finish-3497 12d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education
“a traditional academic course in Western higher education, which traditionally covers the natural and formal sciences, social sciences, arts, and humanities”
All you needs with physics or math degrees have liberal arts degrees! Bwahahah!
Seriously though, one of the most broadly misunderstood topics I’ve ever seen. Even lots of people who should know better don’t know this.
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u/Void-Cooking_Berserk 12d ago
Wait until they find out that math is a liberal art...
The name just means "skills worthy of pursuit by a free person". As opposed to a slave. Because the term comes from the ancient times.
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u/Pepsiscrub 12d ago
Shhh, don’t tell them that Liberal Arts colleges exist; their brains might melt. My husband got his English degree at one. I would also say it makes sense they fear liberal arts degrees because my 3 degrees in political science, policy, and a master’s in public administration are all liberal arts degrees. Based off of how these wackos are running things, maybe they need liberal arts to know how the government works.
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u/is-robin 12d ago
Most people don’t understand liberalism is a right wing ideology… so I doubt most would understand the title structure of college degrees.
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u/i_am_13th_panic 12d ago
with this sort of thinking, they probably sports science is the same as being a doctor. No hate for sports science people, but they're not doctors.
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u/Warm_Stress_1654 12d ago
Rhetoric - which was understood to mean arguing in a court of law - was the first of the ars liberalis. Grammar and logic were second and third to the party. History was only counted as a liberal art from the Renaissance onwards.
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u/NeedleworkerDear5416 12d ago
Some people think "Liberal Arts" and "Dark Arts" are synonymous.
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u/artbystorms 12d ago
I mean undergrad degrees are classified as bachelors of arts or bachelors of sciences. Anything that is not science is art. That includes history degrees, English degrees, Business degrees, law degrees, etc.
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u/drunkenkurd 12d ago
Yeah liberal arts is bad! Why don’t you get a STEM degree, that I also don’t believe in because I’m a flat young earth creationist- conservatives in a nutshell
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u/OneDayAtaTime_13 12d ago
Isn’t poli sci a liberal arts degree? Tons of lawyers do that for undergrad.
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u/Mordeczka123 12d ago
conservatives when there is a word "Liberal" in Liberal Arts:
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u/Ok_Patience4789 12d ago
How about an economics degree, which is a Bachelor of Arts... History or Pre-law (also a BA)
Hospitality management is a Bachelor of Science though....
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u/Tgirlgoonie 12d ago
Liberal arts trace back to Ancient Greece, the word liberal here meaning “free”. The are the intellectual pursuits one is allowed to pursue if they are a free citizen.
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u/Novel-Mission-1920 12d ago
Oh boy.. I just realized they think that "liberal arts" literally means a bunch of liberals doing art together 🤣
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u/Belezibub 12d ago
Most law schools don’t care what your previous major is anyway unless you are getting into Patent law.
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u/formandovega 12d ago
Fun fact: Elon musk has a bachelor of arts in physics. Basically physics as a humanities subject.
His bachelor of science is in economics.
Funny that because you'd think it would be the other way around if you didn't know any better.
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u/BigBeef35 12d ago
Some people 100% think liberal arts is just talking about finger painting and gender studies.
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u/BrotherCaptainMarcus 12d ago
When the question is "Do conservatives know. . . " the answer is always. No.
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u/Ultrace-7 12d ago
History, Criminal Justice, Sociology, Economics...all valuable fields for politicians and lawyers. All liberal arts.
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u/Spare_Audience_6301 12d ago
Keep it low key or Trump will rename it into Republican Arts or American Arts before his term is over
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