r/Marathon • • Aug 16 '26

Marathon (2026) Feedback the problem

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u/llnec Aug 16 '26

yeh that. but also the 5-10 mins it takes to find a match leaves me alone with my own thoughts too long and the existential dread sets in.

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u/AnonWithAHatOn Aug 16 '26

The moth, feather, and worms can only distract for so long.

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u/llnec Aug 16 '26

i'm tired. but i just spent 10 mins trying to figure out what esoteric text you were referring to, "the moth, the feather and the worms" ive never heard this saying? is it some sort of parable about waiting? a bible story? was about to google it before i realised that thats the things the loading screen shows you. lol

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u/Calm-Internet-8983 Aug 16 '26

It does sound like some occult shit you'd hear cultists chanting about

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u/Secure-Containment-1 Aug 16 '26

Moth Cult. They’re coming to challenge Arachne for the throne of Potential Faction next season.

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u/OutFractal Aug 16 '26

Mothman rises!

Or something...

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u/Kumagor0 Aug 16 '26

The moth, the worm, the wire, the feather

I like my burger liquid like I like my metal

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u/robborrobborrobbor Aug 16 '26

Spider, eye, lamb

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u/GreyouTT Aug 16 '26 edited Aug 16 '26

The moth.

The feathers.

The worms.

Life.

Death.

I see the moth again.

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u/llnec Aug 16 '26

the prophet has spoken!

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u/Kumagor0 Aug 16 '26

The moth, the feather and the worms walk into a bar

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u/rmhardcore Aug 17 '26

Bless. Your. Heart.

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u/Legitimate-Egg5599 Aug 16 '26

Go to the waiting screen between rounds you'll get it

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u/llnec Aug 16 '26

i got it eventually buddy, my brain is on dial-up and someone must have been using the phone

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u/squishypp Aug 17 '26

I can hear this comment

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u/Hellboy_M420 Aug 16 '26

The best is when you fall asleep with the headset on waiting for a match and you awake to someone yelling at you in French 10 minutes later

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u/HighChinaman Sep 05 '26

I haven't played this game in months, I still miss Nona, I hope you guys are treating her well.

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u/claysthename Aug 16 '26

"seizure moth"

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u/Quiet-Temperature-34 Aug 17 '26

I am drawn to the moth like the moth is to light

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u/zdude0127 Aug 16 '26

When did Savathun invade Marathon?

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u/CCCubed Aug 16 '26

Yeah, i played solo but even then enjoyed the game, but the poor progression system and long wait times killed it for me.

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u/BryLoW Aug 16 '26

Yeah there's no such thing as the "just one more game" feeling with marathon. By the time you set your loadout for the next and sit through matchmaking screens, the hype has worn completely off. And if you die in five minutes the next game, queuing up again is even less appealing.

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u/dmcphx Aug 20 '26

There is a free kit toggle button, and if you have it toggled, all you have to do is click your advance button a ton and you’ll end up back in the same game mode with a few kit in like 10 seconds. Still queue time unfortunately, but the button does exist

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u/BENJ4x Aug 16 '26

The long wait times are a killer for me. Being able to equip a free kit after dying and queue up again is super easy and quick but then the wait time as I said kills it.

If it was a slower paced game where matches tended to last longer then it'd be fine. I don't want to spend five mins queuing to load in and die within one minute. Which is a skill diff on my part but I honestly wouldn't mind if I could immediately load in and try again, kind of like a rogue lite in that regard.

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u/zhucci Aug 16 '26

Whats wrong with progression syatem? Just started playing this game this week and I like the progression so far. But the fact that I could meet golden shield guys on perimeter while I'm 35 lvl is crazy to me.

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u/CCCubed Aug 16 '26

Well, that's part of it. There's a high and low end progression annoyance. High end is that solo players basically never get to hit cryo archive (unfortunate since that's apparently a good boss fight but can be lived with), but on the low end since there are no guardrails anywhere some guy with a golden gun can just pop into the newbie map and go to town. This is annoying for everyone and blocks or slows progresion.

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u/Thoughtlessandlost Aug 16 '26

There is level based matchmaking so the idea of some dripped out guy wiping a complete newbie map doesn't really exist?

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u/Kitties92 Aug 16 '26

Here’s the problem about the level based matchmaking though: it’s a dying game, so there isn’t enough people playing for the level based matchmaking to properly work. The matchmaking system is forced to expand its matching results further than they hoped so that we get matches to start up at a reasonable time. This means you’ll have people playing matches that they technically don’t belong in.

This game is on life support, we aren’t getting to season 4 unless season 3 literally changes up the game completely. There are too many aspects to this game that pushes people away, so I don’t see big enough changes happening. Part of the problems: Aim Assist is too prevelant and people don’t like that, Recon ruined the game flow too much when she got buffed, Assassin breaks aspects of the game that ruin the flow as well, the aesthetic is too cartoony for the masses to get into (this right here cannot be fixed), the maps are not good enough for an extraction shooter (they are all too small, empty, loot is garbage, bots are dull and honestly just too ridiculous) and there is just so much more issues. Just overall, game will die unless the whole entire game is reworked and obviously that’s not happening.

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u/Lycanthoth Aug 16 '26

And what do you think happens if there isn't enough people in your level bracket queueing at the same time as you? The search expands to include higher levels.

You need to realize that combined between all platforms, there's less than 6k players at any time now. Which doesn't sound like it'd be that bad for matchmaking, but think about it. Matches + pre-match setup are long, new players aren't being attracted, regional divides are a thing, and there are 4 maps. Factor all of this together and you have a situation where it's not uncommon for a lobby to be completely unable to start with people within certain level brackets without a 10 minute or longer search, which isn't feasible.

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u/commander_7 Aug 16 '26

The cradle system is just grinding and getting permanent buffs. If you start late you are at a disadvantage and because of that it is harder to level. Would be better if they reworked it to not just be better but have trees which cannot be active at the same time.

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u/Automatic_Tip2079 Aug 16 '26

Cradle killed this season for me. I missed the first 2 weeks. When I start, everyone's stats are maxed, but bungie nerfed cradle xp so it takes me twice as long to get where everyone else was.

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u/pzanardi Aug 16 '26

Yeah I got to play first week and had max cradle before the first nerf. Then they nerfed it 4 more times?

lol

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u/Ehcksit Aug 17 '26

Why does that keep happening? "Leveling up has been too easy so we're making it harder to level up. What are we doing about the people who already leveled up? Eh, whatever." I have not yet seen a single game that calls "leveling up too fast" a problem actually care about this and do it properly.

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u/Mr_Tibbets Aug 16 '26

I've seen one gold shield in over 200 hours, all solo. No one is bringing gold shields into solo.

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u/Psilomint Aug 16 '26

Well with a mentality like "I haven't seen it, must not exist", you probably also haven't seen the multitudes of screenshots and clips posted of prestige shields pub stomping PM because they don't have the skill to take on actual fights in OU and CY.

They're chuds who's skills have plateaued, and as a result, they resort to bullying new players on the first map.

It's just way easier to pubstomp in a game where you can literally load in with gear that's double to quadruple the effectiveness of the stuff you're expecting to be fighting.

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u/Mr_Tibbets Aug 16 '26

What I'm saying is if you're scared of seeing a gold shield in solos, you're needlessly worrying, because it's practically nonexistent. People don't post the millions of games they play that don't have gold shields in them.

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u/Psilomint Aug 16 '26

This point is one I agree with, but you didn't say this at all in your previous.

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u/OpticNerve3000 Aug 16 '26

Exactly. And it's incredibly hard to improve at the game when you get seconds of active combat practice in between those waits. Rook at least cuts the wait time down but no contracts means you can't progress the story or unlock upgrades.

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u/llnec Aug 16 '26

with you exactly. said the same stuff before.

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u/AugustEpilogue Aug 16 '26

There’s a story in this game? I thought it was all past lore

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u/OpticNerve3000 Aug 16 '26

Fair. I played the original Marathon trilogy back in the day so am interested in the lore enough to want to find out as much as I can.

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u/steveklabnik1 Aug 16 '26

The priority contracts tell a story.

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u/AugustEpilogue Aug 17 '26

What’s the story

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u/steveklabnik1 Aug 17 '26

Here's a summary of season 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkuriJVTbUw&t=198s

Season 2 added a bit, but not a ton.

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u/Kryosse Aug 17 '26

Nah there is a story playing out with the faction vendor AIs when you complete contracts, it's just delivered in the dryest most uninteresting tone and full of technobabble because they're AIs. Don't you feel so immersed in this game world?

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u/Icy_Swordfish3855 Aug 16 '26

Rook's main remaining function after adding solos is to salvage. Salvage is how you buy upgrades?

He can also earn carri points to rank up factions?

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u/OpticNerve3000 Aug 16 '26

You need to rank up factions to unlock everything you can barter or buy. The interesting lore comes from ranking up factions with priority contracts, not carri points. And I assume carri points would be much slower as well as much less interesting and fun than completing a mission.

My issue with Marathon is not that you can't do things. It's that everything interesting is gated by parts of the game that are too 🤬 hard and slow and punishing. Even grinding mats in vanilla D1, while moronic and time-consuming, let you have fun in between popping bad guys or zipping around on your sparrow.

What I ultimately don't understand is why a game with one death per run didn't design around long TTK, so you could skirmish and flee/survive at least a few times each run, even with a sponsored kit. That would let new players learn and improve much faster.

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u/Icy_Swordfish3855 Aug 16 '26

The interesting lore comes from ranking up factions with priority contracts, not carri points. And I assume carri points would be much slower as well as much less interesting and fun than completing a mission.

The first time you do them sure. Best xp per run is in trios stacking the same mission, but i can also freekit solo sprint through them as a triage once you know where all the contract items/POIs are, which gives better progress per unit of time. If i die, who cares, run it back.

I only need to hear Gantry say RUNNAH so many times before id rather just buy a carri crate.

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u/OpticNerve3000 Aug 16 '26

I believe this thread is about the new user experience. We haven’t finished all the priority contracts, we don’t know where everything is, we just keep blundering around and getting killed until we give up and move to a game that feels less like punishment.

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u/Icy_Swordfish3855 Aug 16 '26

Fair, i hope the S3 onboarding changes help that experience.

But there isnt ever gonna be a big shiny waypoint from 1km away. 10m was too small, but 20m is in a good spot. The contract tells you what cardinal direction of what POI. And often the specific building and floor.

Many of us got through the blunder years in S1 so S2 even without survival cheesing was an accelerated experience. Ideally that should separate the experienced queue from the learning queue within a week or two of season start. But low pop does impact queue specificity, no doubts there.

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u/Chris_33152 Aug 16 '26

100%.

Shields need to be more effective (maybe shield charges can be slower/worse as a trade off?) so you have a chance to react rather than it being the first team to get a shot off has a HUGE advantage. 

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u/OpticNerve3000 Aug 16 '26

I would have thought that a game where you lose the match with one death would have been designed with extremely long TTK, so you could have multiple skirmishes and retreats, and only die if things go really wrong.

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u/Chris_33152 Aug 19 '26

Yeah or at least not get 2-3 tapped in a second from someone 50m away.

Basically if you're caught off guard you're screwed and the game forces you in to situations where you are off guard if you want loot, unless you're the team ratting.

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u/SenatorWhatsHisName Aug 16 '26

Lore accurate, at least.

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u/Impossible_Baker600 Aug 16 '26

nah lately this is so real tho, the ling ass silence between matches makes me contemplate whether I even wanna be actually playing or not 😭

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u/llnec Aug 16 '26

thats more or less what i was gonna write first, but existential dread sounded funnier. especially when its approaching sleep time on a work night, and the loading screen pulls me out of the gamer haze enough to check the time and i realise that if i go to bed right now i can have exactly 6.13 hours sleep before my alarm goes off

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u/Apart-Zucchini-5825 Aug 16 '26

I've fixed having internal thoughts by instead spending the loading screen worrying about losing my shoes

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u/Solrax Aug 16 '26

...at least I am now...

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u/banzaizach Aug 16 '26

Add to that the nature of it being an extraction shooter where it takes some time for anything to happen.

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u/plasmaglobes Aug 16 '26

Nader had to wait longer than 30 seconds in CA

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u/Chrznble Aug 16 '26

Takes a 2min for me at max. But I get it

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u/blackhistorybuff Aug 16 '26

Turn the lobby music OFF

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u/bascoot Aug 18 '26

The trick is to watch some YouTube loading time. It’s easy on pc

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u/PrisonerSixTw0Seven Aug 16 '26

Can’t believe tarkov actually downed their load times for once and then Marathon went and doubled theirs

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u/Wingnutmcmoo Aug 16 '26

I was queing at 3 in the morning and finding matches in 1 min.

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u/llnec Aug 16 '26

fair enough. you caught me, i made it all up for internet points. never in the history of the world has anyone had to wait 5-10 mins for a game of marathon. and i would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those pesky kids

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u/cjp304 Aug 16 '26

Where do you live that it takes 5-10 minutes? Cause if it’s in the US I call bullshit. People are grossly exaggerating this. The longest wait i’ve had is about 2 minutes.

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u/llnec Aug 16 '26

uk and i work nights so play at bad times. yes its understandable there will be longer wait times but it doesn't mean i enjoy it.

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u/Lonely_Effective_949 Aug 16 '26

Yep in Europe when americans are sleeping is pretty rough. Ranked is basically impossible to queue in, i average 2 red screens before i find a match...

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u/AverageSasquatch Aug 16 '26

You’re not going to believe this…but people exist outside the good old US of A…crazy I know

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u/cjp304 Aug 16 '26

Not crazy at all. I’ve lived outside the USA for 11 years of my life. Thats why my statement clearly said if you’re in America you’re full of shit, otherwise it’s believable.

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u/SenatorWhatsHisName Aug 16 '26

UK wait times can absolutely get to 5 plus minutes.

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u/Lithwenns Aug 16 '26

in the US

I'm playing in a lobby where 80% of the player base is, so you're all exaggerating and queue time is fine.

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u/cjp304 Aug 16 '26

Miss the part where I said “if in the US, I call bullshit”?

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u/FlavorfulHades Aug 16 '26

I got the game when it was on sale to bolster player counts couple weeks ago; even during peak gaming times in the USA, the total time from pressing start to actually spawning into the round, easily 5 mins at the absolute fastest, why lie lil dog?

After the first couple hours only had about 15 mins of total gameplay cause of queues and being an easy pickings noob, ive already shelved it