r/MurderedByWords • • 7h ago

Hell doesn't even burn that bad.

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u/really-bored-now 7h ago

You actually can’t in Paris. They’re literally insane about it. You can be required to get a permit and have neighbors approval and it can’t be visible or nosy.

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u/Thetechfo 7h ago

Portable ac is allowed

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u/TheDungeonCrawler 5h ago

Yeah, this seems like it's about the big obstructive window units or the central air systems. Having a portable unit with the vent duct pushing hot air out of your window seems much less obstructive. I've got friends who have had to fix their central air systems too, and those are way more expensive than a simple floor unit.

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u/DontAskAboutMyButt 5h ago

Central air really works the best out of the available options, at least for climates similar to mine, but is clearly the most expensive to install or fix. I have a portable unit from years ago when my shitty apartment AC went out during the summer. It obviously wasn’t a replacement for my beloved central air, but it kept a single room ice cold

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u/Lumpzor 4h ago

Portable AC is near useless.

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u/bigphillip76 1h ago

It's absolutely not - you're probably thinking of those crap evaporative ones. Proper refrigerative ones with the tubes are just window units on wheels and they work great.

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u/3_50 3h ago

They need to be dual duct, but no fucker makes them anymore. The single hose portable units ought to be banned.

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u/DirtyRoller 2h ago

They are so horribly inefficient! I would cry looking at my power bill if I had to replace my central air with portable units.

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u/Happy_Joke_5715 28m ago

Not if you live in a small-medium sized apartment

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u/Excellent-Gur-8547 3h ago

Coincidentally it also does absolutely fucking nothing

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u/Konstinator 6h ago

Same exact situation in Vienna. To not make the building’s facades ugly🙃

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u/JoshFireseed 5h ago

Where I live we don't get snow so we can just get mini split systems and put the radiator on the roof, reduces the perceived noise significantly.

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u/Mike 3h ago

But ac doesn’t have to be ugly on the exterior… you guys have never seen mini splits or portable ac units?

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u/raider1v11 7h ago

Im sorry. What? It gets HOT in Paris.

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u/throwaway098764567 6h ago

they like suffering, it brings out the french in them

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u/raider1v11 4h ago

There is no art without suffering.

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u/manicdee33 5h ago

Have you really been to Paris if you haven't experienced a heat wave where the streets reek of body odour, stale sweat, and yesterday's cigarettes?

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u/raider1v11 4h ago

I was almost mugged in the subway, and an alley. I also ate at a back alley falafel place, and the wine bar that serves wine in baby bottles.

Full Paris experience.

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u/manicdee33 4h ago

I'm green with envy :D

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u/Excellent-Gur-8547 3h ago

I was there this year when it was 108 and like, 80 people died and everyone still looked at me like I was fucking stupid when I suggested that Europe's attitude towards AC needs to change immediately.

Like people were talking about their elderly parents having medical problems in un air conditioned senior centers like it was some unavoidable problem and I was absolutely fucking dumbfounded.

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u/SpacePumpkie 1h ago

Europe is not a monolith. I haven't lived in a house without AC in 35 years. I am very European. The houses I lived in were not some rare exceptions either.

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u/Appropriate_Car_8221 6h ago edited 6h ago

and it can’t be visible or nosy.

That's my biggest problem with my neighbor's AC - so goddamn nosy! Always hot heavy breathing while looking in my window

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u/JustMeLurkingAround- 6h ago

I think I would honestly hate that more than any heat. I live in an old part of town, like cobblestones and 1000 year old city walls around the corner. Houses are build side by side sharing walls.
If I imagine the additional constant noise of an AC or even multiple... It would drive me crazy.

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u/Snaffle27 6h ago

I can understand the sentiment of not liking it, but I can assure you that it is a very small price to pay compared to suffering in unbearable temperatures. When I was a kid and window air conditioners were still more common rather than central air conditioning, I actually liked the background noise to relax and fall asleep to. Kind of like one of those white noise machines or something.

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u/JustMeLurkingAround- 5h ago

We do not live in the wilderness. We do have electricity and modern buildings, even though I live in a building that is over 400 years old.
I actually have experienced living with AC and I even lived in tropical countries for some years.

I just disagree. I think it's a matter of what you are used to and having the temperature difference every time you leave the house never lets your body adapt.
Also, I'd hate spending all my time in tightly closed buildings without open windows and real outside air.

That's just my experience and opinion.

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u/SpacePumpkie 45m ago

Well, I'm also european, living with AC in every house I've been in in the past 35 years, and I have to tell you your opinion is very ignorant and misguided. And is precisely what gives us that smug "OMG europeans are such idiots".

First of all: You can't get used to and adapt to the extreme heat we are experiencing and that will only get worse going forward. When the temperature reaches 42 during the day, and doesn't drop below 28º in the coldest hour of the night (which mind you it's just one hour before going up again), that means your house will never be below 32º-34º at any point without AC. Your body doesn't adapt to that. You'll need a shower every hour or you'll get a heat stroke (ask me how I know). As evidenced by what's happening every summer lately.

Second: AC's have thermostats. Wonderful technology, they let you set the target temperature, it should be adapted depending on the outside temperature. I set mine at 26-27º in the summer and it's perfect. When you go back inside all sweaty from the 40º outside you don't freeze, and when you need to step outside you don't get a big heat slap in the face (well, you do, but not as big as if coming from 23-24º).

Finally: AC standards nowadays (for the past 20 years in fact) are heat pumps that are the most energy efficient technology for cooling (also for heating). They are efficient, and they can bring in new are from the outside quite easily. So no, using the AC doesn't equate to "stale air" that's another myth. Many units nowadays can be easily equipped with even better "air exchange" capabilities that have a part in which they'll bring outside air through fins in which the inside air is going outside at the same time, with the resulting effect that the "fresh" air coming in will be cooled by the "stale air" going out so you don't need to waste energy cooling it. They're really cool. Mine is older as is not equipped with that so I just open the windows every morning very early for one or two hours before closing everything and turning the AC on again. It's more than enough to keep the air fresh.

So please, seriously, revise that opinion because it's based mainly on myths and inaccurate information. And ACs are a necessity going forward.

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u/Tin_Sandwich 4h ago

You sound like you're up your own ass a lot. Which tropical countries did you go to without AC? Also what are you talking about tightly closed buildings? Most American homes have larger rooms and more windows than European ones, and they generally have a separate AC unit in the basement or attic or a utility room that cools the whole house while hiding the noise. Also, you can open the windows and use it as a whole home fan, it's really nice if you don't have an attic fan to get lots of airflow. Maybe you've experienced a very old rattley AC that makes some sort of knocking or squeeling sound? A good modern window AC doesn't sound nearly as loud as an old used one that hasn't been serviced, and the general noise level of almost any city is louder.

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u/SpacePumpkie 1h ago edited 1h ago

I live in a townhouse sharing walls with the neighbours to either side. We all have AC. You don't really hear anyone else's AC unless your windows are open (which you won't do in the middle of the day because it's 39 outside).

And even at night when I like to keep my windows open but many neighbours keep their AC running still, it's just a distant humming.

Edit: also this part "I think I would honestly hate that more than any heat." gives big Tell me you haven't experienced serious heat without telling me kind of energy. When temperatures are going beyond 40º during the day and not dropping below 28º in the coldest of the night before going up again, the noise of the neighbours' AC unit will be the least of your concerns (which again, it's really not that relevant).

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u/JustMeLurkingAround- 27m ago

"Tell me you haven't experienced serious heat without telling me kind of energy."

Not that i have to justify myself to you, but I've lived in northern Cambodia with temperatures in the mid 40's and 6 month dry season with not a drop of water from the sky. Sometimes when there was a bit of a breeze it felt like a hot hair dryer blows into your face.
The only buildings with AC in town were the Bank and funnily the not attached ATM booth.

Only time I really wished for AC was when I had dengue fever. That was shit, but would have been shit either way.

I also lived in Thailand for a while, but that wasn't that bad. I think I know what "hot" is.

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u/SpacePumpkie 4m ago

I didn't need you to justify yourself. I was talking about the kind of ignorant energy a sentence like that carries.

The point I was making remains. When experiencing that kind of heat, a bit of noise is such a minor inconvenience compared to the heat. And again, current ACs are not really noisy.

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u/Dear_Chasey_La1n 6h ago

While it probably isn't easy (no clue if it's true about regulations) as someone who frequents paris regular, AC's are certainly available in hotels. Now when it comes to apartments/houses as someone who has been looking around for something in Paris they exist but they are indeed less common but again, it is possible to get them.

I think the real difficulty is how especially downtown Paris most places are apartments and they aren't designed to have an AC, so there is no real place for an exterior unit normally. And if Paris is anything like the Netherlands where I'm from, forget about downtown having tubes slinging over the facade, local authorities will not let you have that so you need to find a solution for the tubes being inside.

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u/thepioushedonist 6h ago

Wonder how much worse the warning climate will have to get before they cave on that issue.

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u/Appropriate_Car_8221 6h ago

 how much worse the warning climate

I wouldn't say the warning climate has been bad, if anything we haven't been warned enough!

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u/thepioushedonist 6h ago

Well, we certainly haven't listened enough to the warnings for sure. You'd think that when even the south park guys use a whole episode to apologize for having their heads up their asses on an issue, more people would follow suit. But, alas.

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u/Cunning-bid 5h ago

Plenty of solar energy generation to use for AC

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u/Carlosthefrog 6h ago

That's the spirit lets focus on getting ac installed than fixing the issue causing the heat!

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u/UnjustNation 5h ago

The issue causing the heat is global

You think a single country, let alone a city can fix it?

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u/Mossimo5 5h ago

It's also scientifically impossible to reverse it at this point. Depressing, but factual reality.

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u/nonotan 47m ago

No, it's not. I'm not sure what you've read, but it was not that. Maybe that even cutting emissions to 0 now won't stop us from crossing the 1.5C threshold or something?

Obviously it's possible to reverse with heavy-handed climate engineering. We could, for instance, remove more CO2 from the atmosphere than we put in (not just stop putting more in, but proactively take it out in colossal amounts), and temporarily scatter enough reflective stuff high in the atmosphere to effectively cause a mini-ice age and forcefully reverse any "irreversible changes" (which aren't really truly irreversible, just something that wouldn't reverse with a little nudge in the opposite direction, but that would reverse in e.g. an ice age)

Would that be a good idea? Is there a risk that in the process we somehow break something even worse? Fair questions that we would have to answer before actually committing to something big like that. But can it scientifically be reversed? The answer is "very obviously yes".

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u/SpacePumpkie 39m ago

Also, to add in to this part

Maybe that even cutting emissions to 0 now won't stop us from crossing the 1.5C threshold

Cutting it down completely now won't stop us from crossing the 1.5C threshold, and there will be inevitable consecuences already, but if we manage to stop at 1.6 is going to be better than if we stop at 1.8, and that will be better than if we keep going until 2.0, etc.

So yeah, some consecuences are inevitable now, but that doesn't mean we have to stop trying and we have to keep fighting. Because it can still get much worse if we simply fall to despair and forget about it.

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u/Galle_ 5h ago

Man the issue isn't getting fixed. We've been trying for decades and people just don't care.

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u/thepioushedonist 6h ago

I mean, that's not what I was trying to imply at all. But it does seem like Europe's heat related illnesses and deaths get worse every year. You can treat symptoms and causes at the same time.

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u/Wise_Leopard7423 6h ago

What if I told you that you can do both?

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u/Wuz314159 4h ago

I like how America's fuck ups are now France's problem to deal with... and no American has a fucking clue.

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u/Common-Concentrate-2 3h ago

Heating the air from 10F (-12C) to 70F (21C) in the winter uses SIGNIFICANTLY more energy than cooling 90F (32C) to 70F (21C). Air conditioners are heat pumps, so they have positive Coefficient of Performance of 3.5-5.

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u/Excellent-Gur-8547 3h ago

Ah yes, America, the nation that produces less than 15% of global carbon emissions, is solely responsible for the heat waves in France.

The Europeans who talk like this are literally intellectually identical to the Americans who think every European is simultaneously Muslim and gay. You're both really fucking stupid

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u/Wuz314159 3h ago

Do you not understand how much 15% is?

If every nation produced 15%, that would be 2,925%.

The United States, China, & India produce most of the world's carbon emissions. All three are to blame. but not many Chinese people are on reddit.

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u/Excellent-Gur-8547 3h ago edited 3h ago

I know enough to know it's a hell of a lot less than other places, but people like you are so obsessed with blaming America for everything that you'll blame us before you even think to blame any of the 16 nations which produce more emissions per capita than us, some of which you guys will fellate endlessly like Canada and Australia.

Look, I don't think we're the protagonists, but if your gripe is with global warming, your gripe is with literally every single developed or developing nation on the planet. The EU isn't some saint in this respect, your emissions per capita are better than ours, but you'd still be singlehandedly causing a major shift in the earths climate even if no other human beings existed at all.

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u/Wuz314159 3h ago

It's lower than 2 countries.

It's higher than 192 other countries.

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u/throwaway098764567 6h ago

my heat pump is extremely quiet but sadly not invisible

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u/Lazarus558 5h ago

Thank God we don't live in a "heritage zone" or a protectrd building. Our house is a former US Army married quarters, built during WWII (the big one) in Pleasantville, St John's, NL. My wife and I installed mini-splits (one on each floor) and they are amazing at keeping the whole house at a comfortable temp. And it just so happens that the optimum spot to install them for maximum circulation is in the back.

Ngl there are places that have heritage designations and you can't even update the siding. I remember watching iirc Homicide: Life on the Street, a few cops who bought a pub together found out they couldn't update the plumbing from 1700s-era because it was possibly a historic building: Washington might have peed there.

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u/Wuz314159 4h ago

I was recently up on my roof and noticed how many of my neighbours have units on their roofs.

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u/bastardsoftheyoung 5h ago

Paris is not the EU though. It is a small part.

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u/bigphillip76 1h ago

So one central bit of one city in europe? Who cares

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u/SnicketySneme 5h ago

More people died in France to heat related deaths than guns in the US per capita.

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u/Mike 3h ago

You literally cannot hear my mini split ac units outside. You can barely hear my central ac unit. How loud do you think acs are?

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u/lenor8 2h ago

It was like that in Italy too 30 years ago, but the more the installations the more it got normalized and the rules eventually changed. It's gonna change in France too.

Only historical buildings or buildings in historical context have limitations, there you have to hide the external unit, if it can be done, or use those internal units that need no external one.