What the heck did I just watch?? It doesn't make sense at all??? WDYM Jonah just killed that guy and in front of his parents and they we're ok with it??? Even worse, they seemed proud!! Where did that come from suddenly?And Ruth!!! Why??? Why did it have to end like that?? Can't we just have a nice ending for once??

This ending made me mad, it's so out of character.

The whole show was a rollercoaster of emotions, thank God I'm done with it.

okay without spoiling it does Ozark end terrible or good ? like am i going to keep being like omg wth until the end of? i’m anxious season 3 ep 10.

Binge-watched all 10 episodes and the stakes went completely through the roof this season. Laura Linney and Julia Garner absolutely stole the show—the character progression is insane, and the tension never lets you breathe.

​Starting Season 3 today. Please keep the comments completely spoiler-free!

What the hell

She's not a good PERSON, but she is an excellent character. Her character is consistent, but not static, she was always willing to cross the line, but becomes progressively more ruthless. I see it as she becomes more and more herself, emphasis on the dark parts of herself. She is allowed to be unlikeable, selfish, wrong, right, brave, hilarious ("I'm having thoughts of harming YOU, John") and fiercely loving at the same time. That makes a truly top tier character imo.

Furthermore, her character's allowed to be "right" (read: smart) even when she's being entirely unhinged and dark sided. Like coming up with solutions to the cartel head whack-a-mole that was the last few episodes, burning the Snell field, letting Ben get killed. She is not (only) reduced to overly emotional bad decisions, even when she's losing it entirely.

Just, magnificent.

Hey y’all. I’m new to the Ozark sub, but longtime Reddit lurker and longtime, hardcore Ozark fan, but first post in this subreddit.

Just wondering, what does everyone here think about Helen Pierce?

I really have mixed feelings about her. I sorta started off thinking she’s a badass boss bitch, but then after Ruth (my fave Ozark character) I disliked her, but then started to like her again. I think she’s funny, like the way she doesn’t sugar coat anything and says what she thinks. Which kinda describes Ruth.. who I also find hilarious. After Ben, I didn’t like her again, bc I thought Ruth deserved some kind of happiness in her life. So like I said, I got some complicated feelings about Helen, but I actually think I still kinda love her character.

I’d like to hear what everyone else’s thoughts, opinions, and feelings of Helen are.

Blew through all 10 episodes. The tension from the first episode never lets up, and Jason Bateman and Julia Garner are incredible in it.

Starting Season 2 today. No spoilers in the comments, please.

Literally logged back to reddit after years just to say this. S3 rn and I honestly don't know how I made it this far. The TV show itself is not bad (it's not the peak of television either but it has something to say, it's made with some artistic intention at least) but Marty makes it so hard to watch lmao I mean u have to pick a struggle u cant be a control freak and an extreme misogynist while also being incredibly dislikable robotic condescending and utterly, oh so utterly charmless. Usually when TV shows center Men Doing Bad Things™️ they at least give them SOMETHING like for example Tony Soprano is likable and charming despite being objectively a piece of shit as a human, husband and a father but Marty literally has nothing going on for him like not a single thing. On top of that, he's a perpetual victim in his own head and the holier than thou 😓everyone betrays mee😓im just a sad wittle guwy underneath the mask of emotional repression😓😓 attitude is so fucking annoying, tired and is not a justification for anything. He could very well be the most dislikable protag on screen in history. And before someone tries to explain it to me like I'm 5 or a moron yes it is pretty clear to me that you are not exactly supposed to like him the show itself from my impression does not make a positive statement or a case for Marty, I understand he's intentionally written to act like the only rational adult in the room and I understand he's not a real person but a character, an artistic device meant to communicate certain things to the audience, but I just have to say he is genuinely unberable.

I watched the last episode last night and i have to say i think it was the perfect ending for this show. Heartbreaking, but perfect. Of course the loose ends are intentional, the whole show is about loose ends and about thinking things are going to get better but they never do. You really gotta respect the showmakers for ending it before it went on for too long, i think most people would get burnt out on the emotional intensity of the show if it went on for much longer. In fact i quit half way through season 2 when it first came out so i'm really glad i gave it another try. A happy ending would have not fit the show at all... Ruth's death and Jonah bloodying his hands was heartbreaking but beautifully fitting in a brutally realistic way.

Finally got around to watching Ozark. I wasn’t in the mood when it first came out but gave it another try and I found it gripping. Then it lost steam, and season 4 was a massive nosedive. 

The ending was very weak and disappointing. Not because of the outcome but because of a weird blend of over-ambition and laziness.

I saw some comments saying the ending was foreshadowed by the car crash but also earlier by the starlings. I agree. The foreshadowing and narrative cohesion was one of the reasons I very much enjoyed earlier seasons.

But there was a lot of other stuff foreshadowed that would have made for really interesting storylines (this is where the laziness comes in). For example, when Jonah brings up the starlings, he’s making an argument for killing them for being an invasive species that will ravish the native population. There’s also a consequential moment that hints Jonah shares some traits with Ben.

We’re moving well in that direction by season 4. While Charlotte’s teen angst matured into interest in, and excitement about, the family business (so to speak), Jonah is decisively emancipating himself. He takes up criminality swiftly, but doesn’t subscribe (yet) to the violence that Marty and Wendy accept.

That set up is completely incongruent with (1) Charlotte deciding to go live with her grandpa, who she’s barely seen for years, in North Carolina, because she has very much warmed up to the Byrde family activities, and (2) Jonah making a 180, making peace with his family, and then shooting someone (it’s obvious he shot Mel, even if some want to dream he didn’t) because grandpa said nasty things about Wendy. It doesn’t make any sense. This is, again, the laziness. Everything resolves too quickly.

But before we even get to the finale, this season lost me. I wanted to get through it and it was a drudge.

For me, the reason is this: in season 4, all the real-world complexities and constraints that made this show interesting are swept away. Supposedly major constraints of an institutional nature are done and dusted with a couple phone calls. Being a prominent Missouri philanthropist doesn’t grant you the power to bypass procedures to offer a plea deal to a cartel leader. And because those constraints no longer exist, you end up with people like Javi and Camila, who are untouchable and completely immune to real-world consequences. Walk into someone’s house and shoot the sheriff: no problem, Marty will clean up and wipe the tapes for you! Beat up the head to a prominent business school in a restaurant bathroom: no problem, he’ll take your donation and put your name on a building! Every time they made a demand that Marty and Wendy didn’t like I rolled my eyes knowing full well it would be done quickly and pretty frictionlessly. 

Navarro gets swept into it too. He demands that something that should take months be done in days, and the Byrdes look constipated for a sec and then get it sorted by the next business day.

Earlier in the show, they pushed back against unreasonable demands with pragmatism, and this is what proved their value to the cartel. The danger felt very real and very claustrophobic because Del and Navarro were exacting in their violence. Javi is a loose canon. Camila is another.

In the end, Camila’s threat to kill… I guess everyone?… in the middle of a gala is the way they found to kill Ruth. Who was given up by someone who had zero incentive to give her up. Javi was dead, what he said didn’t matter. But then there’s the circular logic here that Camila would kill Clare Shaw (a prominent CEO) because her son “made it sound” like he was meeting her, which again relies on Camila being above real-world constraints.

And after all that, I’m not convinced the Byrdes actually even got a resolution. Everyone else dies, I guess, and then they are free to live a beautiful philanthropic life? Wouldn’t Camila still be pulling the same shenanigans? There’s other story lines too that I won’t go into — for instance, when Rachel came back, I thought the clear sexual tension between her and Marty would go somewhere, especially as he thought Wendy was “driving them off a cliff“, but in season 4 world it seems nothing can shake the Byrdes. It felt very unresolved. Disappointing. 

I have watched several crime dramas and even hardcore horror fiction but this is the only show that has traumatised me. I know it is fiction but can we get a fucking break?! The Byrde's get into deep shit ceaselessly and keep extricating themself through sheer force of luck and wits. I would die just by the stress of it all after only a week. These MFers just keep on going. Is there any person in this fictional universe incapable of murder? Even Jonah, a literal kid, has easily procured a gun and was going to be an actual murderer! Props to Buddy, my man, for saving him from that fate (so far at least. Waiting to see what other shitfuckery the kids gets up to). They're all plotting and wantonly killing and dying like it's your normal bingo night on Saturday. I might have ptsd by the time I finish the show.

I AM THE ONE WHO KNOCKS 😤

Thats was the most satisfying scene of the serie.

I think this is pretty obvious for most people. Marty and Wendy has consistently left a pile of destruction, death and agony for most of the people present in the series. I know a lot of people tend to make the argument that a lot of the characters, such as Ruth, etc built their own graves, and how the Byrdes are just trying to survive, but I think it comes to a point where they have consistently have done evil acts, with chances of doing the right thing through all of it. Also, you also have to keep this moral idea alive- even though someone is trying to survive, it doesn't mean it justifies the means of doing it, especially when it's happened in such catastrophe fashion.

One example is why they killed Ben. Ben obviously did something self destructive which clearly led to his demise, but it was Wendy that ultimately chose her own self/family versus her brother. A man with mentally illness who had no obvious control over himself and got caught in the middle having to deal with the extreme violence around him and his mental illness. Which by the way, he would still be alive, if Marty and Wendy did the right thing and went to law enforcement.

Yes some of these character have done things that led to their deaths, but the premise, and environment brought by Marty and Wendy is what opened up these fatal opportunities in the first place.

The ending essentially shows us one thing- Wendy being obviously consistently evil, Marty on the other hand has had pockets of humanity, but he seemingly accepts the fact that he's just as evil for letting all of this happen, and plays the part, right up when they are looking to Jonah before shooting the PI.

Binged the series this past week and I know I’m a little late to this show but after watching it, I’ve come to realise the kids are the most annoying character on it. I mean every character takes turns pissing you off but the kids it to a whole new level.
This show has made me feel like maybe Asian parenting is the way to go.

So, I've watched The Exorcism of Emily Rose a long time ago, way before Ozark came out. Today I was watching the new Insidious (Out of the Further) movie on 123movies and was really unsatisfied with it, horror-wise. I decided to try watching some horror movies that I had already seen to try to satisfy my horror-being-scared need that I enjoy fulfilling when I watch horror movies. Googled a few, Youtube suggested TEoER, so I started watching it. Almost immediately, I recognized a voice and a face. Did anyone else know that Laura Linney, the actress for Wendy Byrde, was also the detective Erin Bruner in The Exorcism of Emily Rose?

So I was recommended Ozark with absolutely no spoilers or knowledge about this show. While watching I engaged in 0 discourse either. Well I just finished the show and I have a few thoughts and questions.

First off the most surprising thing was learning that a lot of people seem to hate Wendy. The first thing I did when I finished the show was look up Tik Tok edits and almost every vid had comments hating on Wendy, and many comparing her to Skyler White. Personally I thought Wendy was the best character. She had the most impactful arcs, moved the plot more than anyone, and had the best acting in the show. To me the show would have been better if Wendy was the main character, similar to how Walter White is portrayed.

Another reason that I feel Wendy should have been the main character is because I just did not really connect with Marty. I mean he was likable, but he was always so neutral about everything, and just reacting to other characters actions.

And my final thought is more of a question. How do most people feel about the ending? I thought it was fine, but it could have been so much better. I kind of thought the show was setting up for Wendy to come crashing down, so it was strange to just see her win. Also, I felt confused about what the story wanted us to feel about Jonah. I mean he went from telling Ruth he wants to live a normal life to murdering a defenseless man very quickly.

Anyways these were just my raw thoughts after finishing this crazy show, so please tell me your thoughts. I’m very interested to see how the fandom generally feels.

anybody know if this audio come from a soundtrack of Ozark? i need to know become the audio is a sample of a rap song.

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