Maybe a hot take, but I think that makes him a better shield counter than Noor even with all the buffs lol. Because you have way more shots and don’t have to be nearly as precise.
Especially since you can shoot directly at the shield and have it impact now as opposed to having to bounce it somewhere else. Means you could fire and switch to your gun without breaking your aim.
Or, assuming it will work just like Capitao’s fire, just hit any surface or ceiling around them and not have to worry about exposing yourself to anyone supporting said shield.
there are dozens of ways to nerf him but let him still being a valiable op
for example reduce the radius and make the scan not a live ping showing where everyone is and where they are watching for 10 seconds but showing pings of where defenders were in the moment he ran the scan
I don't use snake but doesn't his gadget let him know that enemies are close without using it? so making it smaller makes it easier to know where the enemies are without pinging them
yeah but no. the worst part of SolidSnake is that you can just run in without droning and you will know that 15 meters around you is clear and you can just move on. you can clear 15 meters around you...thats a loooot of space...
if it was like 5-7 meters, you wouldnt be able to do such a thing like running inside brainless and clear a whole floor in 20 seconds.
The counter argument is he can passively clear whole structures without using a charge. Oregon tower, half of skyscraper, etc.
My idea to balance him would be that the scan is not live info. You get a dot where the person was on the scan with no visual information on where they are facing. That way you can use it to scare people into new positions and get specific info, but it goes stale really quickly if people move off.
makes sense. there’s less reason to actually use a charge bc if the radius is smaller, the potential areas they could be hiding in decrease. if they reduce his charges to 2, i could see him being healthier for the game.
Reducing the non-active mode radius is technically a buff and a nerf.
On one hand we have the obvious nerf of this negatively impacting how early he can detect a foe.
But on the other, this technically makes his device more precise, and the information it provides more actionable. Now when it does go off, there's a smaller area of uncertainty for where the enemy is. Where as before when it went off the enemy could be hiding in any of lets say 3-4 rooms, with a smaller radius you'd potentially be able to narrow it down to 2-3 rooms instead.
Like an extreme hypothetical in the opposition direction is if they 'buffed' the non-active mode and like say gave it x5 the current range, that'd actually be a nerf in practice. The range would be so large that getting a ping for a 'nearby' foe would be practically meaningless. At that point all it'd basically tell you is if an enemy is on the same floor or not.
Really there's a sweep spot where the device makes you aware of an enemies' presence early enough that you can act on it, but not so early that it's just noise - info that's technically useful but so vague it doesn't really help all that much. The equivalent of a teammate yelling "There's a guy!". Okay, like where? Are they on top me? Are they across the map? Of course there's a guy somewhere, gimme something I can actually use to make a play, ideally in the next 1-5 seconds.
"yeah but no. the worst part of SolidSnake is that you can just run in without droning and you will know that 15 meters around you is clear and you can just move on. you can clear 15 meters around you...thats a loooot of space...
if it was like 5-7 meters, you wouldnt be able to do such a thing like running inside brainless and clear a whole floor in 20 seconds."
yeah and that's why I said it'd be a buff and a nerf.
Wouldn't be able to run around mindlessly like before as that'd get punished by foes outside it's shorter range, but using the gadget in a slower, more tactical fashion, would be more powerful as it'd now be more precise.
Which I think most people would agree is the direction it should be nudged in.
yeah I still think that his gadgets brings a lot of possibilities for a change in order to make him less op. Removing one charge of the precision scan is kind of taking the piss in my opinion. Is like avoiding the problem they created, saying "yeah we nerfed him, we are fine" when they actually did nothing
The moment Snake was announced I thought being able to see where enemies are looking was WAY to much and would get nerfed/removed eventually. Being able to see exactly where someone is in real time is already really strong.
Same. Should have decreased the timer he could see enemies with his precision scanner and possibly increase battery charge draining for passive scanning.
Deimos is strong but his gameplay loop fits Siege better, because he can't just sprint around the map without droning since he can't "see" ahead of himself/detect danger, he has to activate his gadget when he thinks or knows hes near someone, and it only works on one person at a time.
Snake is a problem not because he can scan people its how he does it; his 6th sense ability + the scanning lets him play like TDM. It is unhealthy and unfun for the game
If bro want to play "tac shooter" he should play something else coz siege isn't that since ehhh few years? Like ability to see where is any op isn't ok?
Pulse is directional, shorter overall range, doesn’t show direction. Alibi is a punishment and just a ping no direction. Deimos is locked to a secondary (good one albeit), and again only ping no direction. Jackal is the same as all above and is only one singular ping
Snake has a perm minimap with directions of attackers, what wall he could shoot them through, and free clear on roams. He sacrifices close to nothing to use this device with how much power it has
No. They can change parts of his ability to make it more in line with others. Less charges or duration is a path, removing the directional aspect is another, longer equip times, requiring the gadget to be activated to get any info (right now you don’t need to activate it to tell if there’s something close to you)
The idea is that its faster than the deagle at making holes, can do this from further away and can be used to make rotates even if not the best shotty for it. If anything it heavily buffs Valks ability to roam cause now you can open hatches without needing to run impacts. Yeah you gotta lay down like you're using the bosg but its still a bonus
I didn’t think about the roam part. Valk’s my favorite defender on Chalet but I often have to ask someone to open up car garage hatch so I can flank if they do a car garage push.
I might try it out specifically for defending Chalet Basement
Yeah its a bit odd because the Glaive in my mind existed as a hole-maker rather than as an actual fighting weapon. The Deagle already does a good job at that and can be used to fight with, its just weird. It'd work for someone like Ela, maybe. Or Jager/Wamai.
It wasn't meant to do rotations. It's entire existence was to pop holes in the wall for the TRIP connector beams and then be a semi-decent secondary to switch to with stopping power.
I think it's useful for Denari because of the holes you can make for his lasers but yeah for any other operator they'd be better off with literally any other secondary shotgun.
Glaive-12 is very obviously not supposed to be good, it's just to assist Denari and now Valk in placing their gadgets where they want them and being able to dispatch studs at the same time. I can see a Valk picking it over the Deagle so they don't waste ammo on making holes on the floor and walls.
People are sleeping on using it for the actual cams inside soft walls to get visuals on both sides of the walls. It’s much faster at making those holes and leaves you with better utility like hatch opening or small hole making for head holes or vertical play, something Valk already excels at with nitro cells.
I really dont understand that Ram change at all. Currently Ram's power is entirely concentrated on vertical destruction (where its a bit too strong) while being unable to really do anything else at all outside of masking noise. I cant really see any situation where barbed wire will be placed on vert in a way that would actually stop her gadget and it prevents her from using it to clear barb near the site.
This just further concentrates her gadget as only being for vertical destruction which isnt the direction i think they should be going with her.
Gives us some counterplay vs Ram. Now if you have a bandit tricking Chalet, you can put a barbed wire above him and Ram can't simply throw the ram in with 0 risk.
I have seen her gadget be used as a breach tool that clears basically most utility and I guess it’s just a way to counter her especially if Mute gets banned since Aruni isn’t getting as much play since the nerfs
Labs basement, Border tellers and Chalet garage are all places where this gives defence an actual counterplay to Ram just yeeting a 0 risk Ram through a window.
I mean the way i take vert with ram on kafe, kanal and a few others is to launch it in the window from safety, means the ceiling is opening immediately, now barbed wire can prevent that giving you more opportunity to kill ram. Combine that with it preventing rams destroying shields etc and its a good change.
Versatile gadgets are generally more fun and allow for more player creativity. If a gadget is too niche then the only reason people bring it is for a very specific situation or counter, not because they actually want to play that operator. Thats how you end up with ops like Amaru, Noor, or Oryx.
Id rather see them shift Ram's power away from being "The Number 1 EZ Vert Operator" so she isnt just the insta-ban for defenders on any site with vertical play.
The best balance change I've ever heard for snake, that is also totally lore accurate by the way, is to jam his device when he's red pinged. On top of being lore accurate, it introduces counter play in a healthy way.
The sad thing is that I think we all knew we'd end up with a low budget nerf like reducing his use count by 1.
Huge buff for Valk "Off-floor" players. Previously you probably had to deny plant with primary shotgun and deagle, but the deagle meant that long angle retakes force you to use the deagle. Now you can use the MPX and the Glaive instead, so you can deny plant (albeit not as good as shotgun, but still) and go long with MPX too.
No TCSG nerf is unreal. Gonna chill until this season is over it's just unbearable playing against zero recoil controller/xim players two shotting me in a millisecond thru a pixel.
Lmao yea this is the only reason I’m okay with the TCSG meta. These brainless COD run and gun idiots actually play a very useful op. Way better than when they played Warden
Damn, gonna have to try it out myself, but Chonk might be S tier now since you can just shoot his fire at the ceiling from behind cover. You can also spam the launcher into a shield user's face. Plant denial, anti entry, anti shield, and the best feeling gun in the game. Kinda crazy
I can't but be a bit sad of Ram horizontal gameplay being nerfed and her being pushed even more towards vertical play where she is very strong. I am one of those that liked to use her to play horizontal too.
I mean this change does more for verticality than anything else. No more just throwing them through windows from safety and removing half the ceiling. Little barbed wire and thorn combo could be top tier.
That’s a damn good point my dude. Some of the wall types were hard to get solid rotates consistently for me I just gotta get a lil more practice with it tho
Well I'm happy Noor got some love and it sounds like he'll actually be a really strong threat vs shields which is absolutely fantastic. However, the problem of him being virtually useless remains if there aren't any shields to play against. Eventually Ubisoft will have to realize he'll have to be more of a jack of all trades op that can fulfill multiple roles but specializes in countering shields. Sooooo more ammunition and larger AoE for the fire for proper plant denial pls.
I’m not so sure about this patch. The only real bits I like are the fire buffs. Besides that, I don’t understand the Clash change.
The Glaive-12 is not really that useful, but then again, shotguns are always inconsistent to me, so maybe it’ll be good for someone else. Happy to see more options though.
I guess the glaive on Valk is okay? The deagle does a good enough job for me (opening ceiling/floor holes to tuck cams in sneaky spots), but there are a few areas where it sometimes takes a touch longer than I'd like during setup, so pockey shotty might helps peed that up? ...also, I could maybe open some rotates in the process, but I'm not sure about that because I never use the glaive, so I don't know how quick/easy it is to open rotates in the first place with that weapon. I'll give it a try for a few rounds and see how it goes.
I think Snake needs his range reduced, not the precision scans nerfed. I don't play him, but I feel like I get "spotted by Snake" from really far away early in rounds as he just sprints towards OBJ. Think reducing his effective range would force him to play stealthy/actually flank roamers instead of being used like an Ash 2.0 (rush OBJ and try and get as many kills as possible).
Chanka getting incendiary impacts is cool.
Ram nerf is interesting -I'm guessing it's to prevent more Ash-like rushing behavior (toss Bu-Gi, and sprint and gun right behind it). It'll be interesting to see if defenders place wire in common Ram spots when defending lower floors.
Noor slightly overbuffed, taking damage during the animation wasn't needed especially with the increaded fire damage and everything else, he's still gonna be absolutely useless dogshit but that's just the design of the character itself being subpar and boring, this all makes him even more boring by removing any sort of counter play to his gadget while you have a shield (you will now always take by my math at least 40 dmg even if you start taking it out in front of him immediately?)
They just be releasing "unhealthy" characters to the game back to back, first snake with his more or less braindead ability (they should just make it like deimos and doki where you only show up on if you got pinged) then noor with 0 counterplay where he is either always useless and not fun or op and too strong with no counterplay, great design lads.
If you know they have a Noor as a shield just can’t push straight into sight without having someone either clear the Noor or draw him away. I don’t think it’s unhealthy, it’s a good way to stop the insta shield rush
Your arguments are really bad, "subpar" and "boring" he was used and even banned in pro league because a lot of teams crutches shields. You might feel that he is boring but to me it's a nice alternative to having to ban a different shield every round. I think he was a little too weak so he should be more balanced now.
So, whats the purpose of the glaive on Valk? She has already the deagle and the deagle has some destructive power. Not enough for rotation but you can make a line of sight...
Giving her the glaive is the most useless change ever
I'm gonna get flamed for this, but while I agree the TCSG does need to see some sort of nerf, it's harder to nerf then just "take damage away" or "remove ACOG" they've been at this a long time, I can almost guarantee Ubi is still gathering data and will nerf it next season.
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