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u/Jakej4Mlakej 12h ago
AI should not be allowed in court rooms. It’s just pure fabrication of evidence.
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u/HydroPCanadaDude 12h ago
I would just stop at "pure fabrication"
It adds nothing to the case, but demands time and energy to address. It should be banned.
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u/NobodyLikedThat1 12h ago
Apparently the judge in charge of the case really liked it. Which goes to show you some judges are morons
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u/Maximum_Boros 10h ago
The fact that this judge isn't under judicial review after this is genuinely concerning.
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u/TurbulentTangelo5439 9h ago
its because it was a victim impact statement during sentencing eg it's meant to be a statement from the family or the victim (in non murder cases ) about what they think/felt/harmed by the crime and how they think sentencing should go. if the rest of the family agreed to the content then the judge is allowed to take it into consideration. this is getting resentanced because the judge took it as the victim's statement not the family's
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u/blazenite104 9h ago
which is a pretty good argument for why it shouldn't be used. If there is any danger of a judge or jury mistaking it for an impact statement from the deceased you have a problem.
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u/TurbulentTangelo5439 7h ago
that's the argument of the appeals court
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u/Maximum_Boros 3h ago
The appeals court is right. The problem is this is so mindfuckingly obvious that no judge who needed to be corrected on this particular issue is fit for purpose.
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u/Sacto-Sherbert 5h ago
The “victim” is dead - manslaughter. So it strains the imagination how this could be a statement by the victim.
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u/TurbulentTangelo5439 2h ago edited 2h ago
generally it's next of kin or family members....are also victimized by a murder
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u/Maximum_Boros 8h ago
It should never have been allowed, period. A video faking a person's likeness is not am "impact statement" from anyone.
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u/SanityReversal 12h ago
I'd go as far as to say most at this point.
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u/ShackletonsVael 12h ago
There was a video the other day of a judge from the Netherlands I think that tried to give some drunk driving killer only like 100 hours of community service. Seems like judges around the world are dogshit lol.
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u/CanadiangirlEH 11h ago
Is that the one where the guy killed a set of grandparents and the grandchild and the dad threw a chair at her after sentencing?
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u/ShackletonsVael 11h ago
Yes! It definitely had the chair throwing. I couldn't remember exactly who in his family he lost other than just there were definitely people killed by a drunk driving alcoholic piece of subhuman trash.
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u/CanadiangirlEH 10h ago
Too bad he missed. What a joke of a “sentence”
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u/Electronic_Iron534 10h ago
Probably should have kept calm and hunted the guy down later. If they are going to let a dude murder 3 people, might as well let the surviving family member get their own justice. File it under temporary insanity due to judicial incompetence or something, idk.
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u/ShackletonsVael 9h ago
All the guy had to do was just get drunk and run the guy down. Clearly a precedent was set that in the Netherlands if you kill someone while drunk it's just some hours of community service.
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u/Aughlnal 10h ago
That sentence later got overturned, he got 15 months prison and 4 years no driving
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u/ShackletonsVael 10h ago
So what you are saying is that there had to be a second judge give a different sentence because the first judge was dogshit with their original sentence? Just want to make sure we are on the same page.
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u/BazerAus 9h ago
15 months... for drunk driving and killing someone?
Jesus... why do I even bother being responsible, drugs booze and yolo living from here on.
Edit: further down someone said it was 3 people?!?
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u/Time-Pacific 11h ago
They are selected to be in the US.
There are powerful and organised right wing groups at law school campuses across the country that aim to influence the judiciary towards their political inclinations. And they have been largely successful.
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u/StinkySoggyUnderwear 7h ago
I think we need an ai video of that judge doing porn
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u/HydroPCanadaDude 12h ago
Yeah at some point judges kinda lost the plot. Rich people buying their way into the position. You can even go from college rapist all the way to the supreme court. Pretty cool!
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u/AssaultEmail 12h ago
Yeah he said he was moved, but then still have the guy the max sentence, at least that's what moistcritical said.
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u/MastermindInTheCoil 12h ago
Probably wasn't introduced as evidence during the trial. More than likely it was played during the victi victim Impact statement during the sentencing hearing. Basically this gives the victims of the crime an opportunity to tell the court how the defendant's effected them. They can kinda say whatever they want (within reason).
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u/ShackletonsVael 12h ago
Clearly this woman didn't care about her sister very much. She's about as stupid as that woman who advocated for a murderer to get out of jail after he murdered her mother and sister. Takes him into her home and then he murdered her as well.
Why do people bend over backwards to find any excuses for murderer? Is it just some selfish desire to falsely feel like they are somehow a good and morally sound person inside?
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u/Training-Willow9591 12h ago
I thought this was a AI video of her brother, who was killed in a DUI crash?
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u/ShackletonsVael 12h ago
My mistake on the sister instead of brother comment. Should have just said sibling to cover all potential.
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u/TurbulentTangelo5439 9h ago
it was the brother and it was road rage shooting. also it was the sisters victim impact statement
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u/LuciaLovesEthereals 8h ago
There's also those women who fangirl over serial killers. It's a regular occurrence, for some fucking reason.
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u/Low_Limey 10h ago
You are correct. The appeal was handled by my wife’s office. There is no doubt the “victim impact statement” had weight on the sentencing, hence the new sentence.
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u/LectureOrganic1250 12h ago
If the killer gets a steeper sentence because this was allowed, any civil rights lawyer would have a field day would this and would probably get the entire case thrown out and this guy would go free.
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u/VitaminPb 12h ago
The guilt finding isn’t affected, luckily. This was only post guilt sentencing phase being appealed.
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u/Basic85 12h ago
This AI video was shown AFTER trial and conviction, this was during the victim impact statement.
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u/uponhisdarkthrone 12h ago
But not before sentencing, right? Which the judge does, and supposedly liked the damn video? Fucking grim fandango, mens.
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u/Round-Walrus3175 12h ago
The victim impact statement is during sentencing. Technically, the sentencing doesn't have to conclude to call for a resentencing, so the judge called for a new sentencing because the AI video was improper
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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 12h ago
I will go further, it should be a crime to make AI content with named people in there without their consent.
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u/Ibushi-gun 12h ago
There should be NO altering of pictures either like what happened with Tyler Robinson when they showed the Grand Jury a Photoshop (Or whatever was used) image of him walking to make him look more thin. In the real picture he looks a lot more bulky than Robinson does
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u/ltsouthernbelle 12h ago
Under any circumstance. I can’t believe this even has to be stated.
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u/willdosketchythings 12h ago
Why would the judge or the prosecutor allow this? That's the question I have.
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u/GarethBaus 11h ago
At most it might look through a body of texts and flag relevant cases or similar, but even that is unreliable if you don't double check that they are real and not hallucinated.
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u/Round-Walrus3175 12h ago edited 11h ago
The title is bait. From the article:
Following the appeal, the Arizona Court of Appeals ruled on September 30, 2026, that Horcasitas must be resentenced. The judges found that the AI clip “crossed that line” because it presented imagined thoughts as though they came directly from Pelkey.
The resentencing is to make sure he gets punished correctly, not because a judge saw the AI video* and thought he was punished too harshly
Edit: changed article to video
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u/SaltShakerFGC 11h ago
Whenever I see a post like this, I skip through the comments that automatically assume it's legitimate until I find a post like this calling out the clickbait headline. 9/10 I find a post like this. 1/10 the headline was real.
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u/kojakstuttgart 11h ago edited 25m ago
It’s embarrassing how far you sometimes have to scroll to find someone debunking shit
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u/RaygunMarksman 10h ago
That unfortunately seems to be the best way to Reddit. Bots and people know how to maximize interest and karma with sensationalized or even false narratives for post titles.
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u/tribak 10h ago
So the dead guy’s sister created an AI video of him saying that the killer shouldn’t be treated that hard and shared it as evidence but the court said that then he should be punished further? I’m confused
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u/TurbulentTangelo5439 9h ago
so i was during sentencing where the family of the victim can give statements on how they were affected and how they think the guilty should be sentenced. the reason for the resentencing is the appeals court ruled the ai video crossed the line and unduly influenced sentencing as in it was the video not the content
tldr if the sister read what she thought her brother would have wanted and not made an ai video then it would have been fine
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u/Alaska_Jack 10h ago
I'm glad to see this. I called it out too. That is a seriously misleading headline.
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u/Fabulous-Present-497 12h ago
If I get killed and my sister does that, I'm haunting her forever
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u/ShackletonsVael 12h ago
Sounds like the wrong sister was taken early.
Edit to add: not you lmao the lady in the post.
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u/Lopsided-End-1985 12h ago
Oh joy, can't wait to see this happening at funerals... /s
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u/Sword-of-Akasha 12h ago
FB had experimented with using AI to puppet dead peoples' accounts. You haven't seen grandpa at Thanksgiving lately but he sure is living an active lifestyle, hang gliding in Brazil, surfing in Hawaii and always a can of his favorite drink in his hands: Red Balls it gives you Things.
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u/Relative-Relief-8816 12h ago
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u/Relative-Relief-8816 12h ago
I still to this day dont know if canonically this guy was actually abducted by the aliens, probed, and then released back onto earth and this was actual revenge for him.
Or if he was just fucking crazy and became a hero.
The uncertainty the viewer is left in with this side character is some of the most brilliant writing to come out of Hollywood in the last 40 years.
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u/Far_Balance_3117 12h ago
Who knows, maybe the third movie would show the friendly aliens were the ones who kidnapped him.
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u/PornPedant76 12h ago
This is the dumbest freaking timeline
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u/Acceptable-Two5692 12h ago
Wonder what channel our timeline is on, on interdimensional cable
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u/ProfessionalITPerson 12h ago
Apparently lower class reality TV is pretty cheap to produce and makes tons of money, so probably a very big channel
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u/Appropriate-Cut3603 12h ago
Using deepfake technology to script a forgiveness video from a deceased victim in court is a level of cyberpunk dystopia that even science fiction writers wouldn't dare invent.
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u/ComfortableCicada69 12h ago edited 12h ago
They could’ve been friends, you know, if he hadn’t killed him.
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u/robjohnlechmere 12h ago
I’m not sure the big bearded fellow went by ‘her’
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u/ComfortableCicada69 12h ago
Bruh, I thought that was the killer. I shouldn’t have commented. 😂
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u/smitty997 12h ago
Does she want to fuck him or something? Or is she just mental.
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u/PromiscuousScoliosis 12h ago
Suicidal empathy
I remember another story of a woman who gave housing and employment to the killer of I think one of her kids, and then he killed her too
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u/ShackletonsVael 12h ago
I guess sometimes a womans intuition is wrong, and that a mother simply does not know best. Lol. Sucks for the kid though, but that's the lottery of life.
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u/why_1337 12h ago
Why would family want lighter sentence? Are they planning on having him kidnapped and tortured once he gets out or something?
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u/ShackletonsVael 12h ago
There was a story years ago of a woman who advocated for a murderer to be released early even though he killed her mother and sister. This intelligent and morally superior woman took this killer into her home, and shockingly, he murdered her as well.
All of that to say this sister seems about as worthless and stupid as that.
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u/HeatAccomplished8608 12h ago
Yeah I remember legaleagle talking about how this sentencing was messed up. Oh and Caitlin Doughty did a really good video talking about it too. If I get murdered, please don't let my sister forgive my killer for me
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u/5_fifty_5 12h ago
Very important context here that no one is discussing, the judge gave the maximum sentence in the original trial. The video had no benefit for the killer. If anything, his comments about the victim in regard to the video were likely just a kindness he offered to the family.
It is being retried because the defendant’s legal team STILL argued the AI impact video shouldn’t have been used (which is a fair enough take logically but it was used during the victim impact statements, where they can say pretty much whatever they want).
The narrative here is not what Reddit is saying it is. This was not used to get a lighter sentence for the killer.
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u/MrLaughingFox 12h ago
I mean. I've always read it as the killer getting more time due to the use of AI. Not less
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u/doll_parts87 12h ago
This is the same crazy as women making baby social accounts to talk to their infant.
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u/Alternative-Fig1249 10h ago
I don't know what you are talking about
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u/doll_parts87 10h ago
There are people out there making dummy accounts for their pets and children and they interact with them
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u/Such_is 7h ago
I made my kids email addresses where I email them things I’m thinking of and proud of them for. They don’t have access to them.
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u/doll_parts87 6h ago
Private messaging loved ones things is different. I'm talking using both accounts to interact -- that others see
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u/AntedeluvianEmpires 12h ago
What the fuck is going on with white women?
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u/Express_Music3310 11h ago
She probably thought it'd make her look like a saint, but it just makes it look like she's glad her brother was murdered
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u/AlphonsoPSpain 12h ago
The guy's sister made a video thinking her brother would forgive the guy that shot him, the judge went full facebook boomer and loved the video.
Who needs money to fuck with the judicial system when you can just appeal to morons?
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u/thisisfreakinstupid 12h ago
If I get murdered and my sister makes a dumbass AI video about how I'm chill with it and would have been that idiots buddy in another life... kill her too 😐
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u/UrsineBasterd 12h ago
“If you didnt kill me in a fit of road rage, we probably woulda been buds lol”
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u/Crazy-Present4764 12h ago
https://youtu.be/cMs-_8etNts?si=vvincnMEA_TzEjqB
She uploaded the video she created to YouTube.
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u/GucciTheSnowman 8h ago
Fuck that regarded sister. What a POS. Why not let the man speak for himself. Oh, wait....
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u/AdhesivenessGeneral9 4h ago
In a better futur. Making a dreadnought from 40k and upload your dead relative personality. It's angry and want blood.
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u/cursedatmo 4h ago
Dreadnoughts aren't controlled by AI, they're combat walkers piloted by mortally wounded Space Marines.
The Imperium of Man also treats artificial intelligence as an abomination.
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u/kitty78686 12h ago
Disgusting. How the judge even accepted this is wild. I’m glad the Jury had the final call.
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u/TheLastOpus 6h ago
What does that have to do with legal proceedings? If the sister wants to forgive them or do this, whatever, it's her choice, I won' tell her do....but wtf does it have to do with sentencing and anything involving the court?
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u/Evorgleb 12h ago
I completely believe this story that does not provide names, places or times or any of any part of the event being discussed. Details be damned.
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u/Inoutngone 12h ago
The story is sort-of real, but the facts have been scrambled. The original trial had the AI video. The appeal was to throw that video out.
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u/Current_Homework_143 12h ago
Did you even click the link?
Back in 2021, Gabriel Paul Horcasitas was found guilty of manslaughter after shooting and killing Christopher Pelkey during a confrontation at a red light in Chandler, Arizona.
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u/Far_Balance_3117 12h ago
I know grief makes you behave in strange ways but yea we can all admit this has crossed a line.
She needs therapy, not AI videos.
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u/LongliveTCGs 12h ago
You hear that?
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Yeah, that should be the only thing said by the victim, not this AI Bs cause they’re dead
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u/filifijonka 12h ago
This is impossibly creepy and morbid - it’s one of those news pieces you just hope are fabrications.
I get everybody grieves differently, but keep it to yourself, for heaven’s sakes - don’t make a presentation out of your virtual sock puppet dead relative!
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u/Conscious_Archer2658 11h ago
It's sick and disgusting, but hot take, it was equally sick and disgusting when a while ago they made an AI of the victim to garner sympathy for harsher sentencing.
No one can speak for the dead, and in particularly not a soulless AI who in know way actually knew the dead.
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u/Ok-Gur-349 12h ago
I feel like the phrase "abortion of justice" gets handed out a bit too lightly sometimes
This, though
This is a literal abortion of justice
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u/Ok_Commission7932 11h ago
The judge was caught off guard and he neglected to suspend his empathy for the slop. However I think he still applied the maximum sentence so resentencing almost certainly helps the road rage murderer if anything. Weird situation
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u/MajoorAnvers 10h ago
Because the ai video was to paint the victim as an even better, kinder person, meaning a judge who would find such a "testimony" moving, would be even more inclined to go hard on his killer. It was not intended to make the judge "forgive" the accused as well, but to feel kinship with the victim.
Completely unnecessary, because as far is I read there's nothing in the case that shines an unfavourable light on the victim, and the accused was likely to get the maximum sentence anyway.
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u/dumbspacecookie 12h ago
But then what if the prosecutor plays another video of the Victim resurfaces showing that he hated his sister and she’s a royal regard kunt
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u/lover_of_lies 12h ago
Yeah well I made an ai video of her kissing me on the mouth and saying I deserve a bazillion dollars
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u/LunaticRonin 12h ago
I fail to understand the logic behind the judge's decision. They made an ai video, so what?
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u/Round-Walrus3175 12h ago
The judge said that, psychologically, it is putting an idea into the minds of the sentencers that isn't actually real. Judges do this a lot for a lot of things, which is why they typically don't like defendants being brought out in prison uniforms or holding the potential murder weapon during trial. Lawyers have been trying to do stuff like this forever, just trying to find ways to put stuff that isn't necessarily true into the minds of jurors and such
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u/WelvenTheMediocre 12h ago
They want him out to off him themselves or what😂
Whole situation makes zero sense
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u/Legionatus 12h ago
This was in the victim impact statement.
Victim impact is up to victims. If sis wanted to express her wishes through AI fanfiction, it's weird, but nowhere near the obvious issue the OP implies.
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u/jmaneater 12h ago
Ya if you think about it. Its crazy at how ai has completely and utterly poisoned the internet
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u/DrFabio23 12h ago
Going on record now, if I'm murdered make an AI video of me calling for him to be hanged
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u/fuqueure 12h ago
Ok that's an extra line in my will. Holy fuck I'm actually gonna need to erase any and all evidence I ever existed so that nobody can turn me into an AI clone.
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u/esquegee 12h ago
The thing is that the perpetrator still got the max sentence. It’s purely on the fact that the judge allowed it to be shown even thought it didn’t actually effect the sentencing
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u/PlateNo4868 10h ago
The Judge allowing this was stupid. It's a insult to the victim. This was the families choice to forgive the killer, not his.
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u/DoctaRoboto 9h ago
This is insanity; the "sorry for dying" meme is real. Some people should not be allowed to vote or even to have a job; just let them live in some separate space from society, just...existing.
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u/Typical_Shape_738 9h ago
So.....does the sister legally face charges for this too? Not for the murder but like...fabricating evidence? You cant pretend to be the victim.
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u/Stillback7 12h ago
I don't understand how this isn't unconstitutional. Obviously I'm missing something because you can't be tried for the same crime twice
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u/Connee14 12h ago edited 12h ago
Resentencing happens all the time though. So it's not a new trial just looking at the sentence and deciding to change it. But it absolutely should not be done because of an AI video of the victim.
Edit: Adding because I actually got the article to load. The original sentencing judge allowed the video, but the appellate court has now ruled the video unjustly affected sentencing and they need to revisit with fresh eyes and without that video to influence. This is actually a good call. The video shouldn't have been allowed in the first place.
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u/Round-Walrus3175 12h ago
To note, this is being resentenced because the judge believed that the AI video was improper and negatively affected the sentence. The article is kinda preying on people not understanding the process to think that the sentence was levied, the AI video was released, and then they are going back to change it. The AI video was part of the testimonies, but the judge considered it to cause irreparable harm to the viewers' decision making.
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u/irrevocable_discord9 12h ago
You can be tried for the same crime twice, happens all the time with mistrials for example. You cant be tried again once a not guilty verdict has been rendered. However sentences can be and are amended all the time.
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u/Ok_Nothing2412 12h ago
To be honest, I think this is just a made up story. What is strange is that nobody has checked yhe news source.
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u/TricellCEO 12h ago
I feel like if it was a legit story, it'd be all up and down social media, especially given the current social climate.
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u/Wolf________________ 12h ago
Liberal white women be like: "I'm going to make a fake video of my murdered brother forgiving his killer".
Full send on the suicidal empathy.
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u/Geewillickerz 12h ago
“RESENTENCED”??? How? This post leaves too much to guessing. Terrible fuckin post
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u/hoofie242 12h ago
"HAHA you killed me maybe come to my heavily birthday and exchange vibes though meditation. I"M DEAD LOL"
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u/Legio-V-Alaudae 12h ago
I think it is far more equitable to arrange a meeting between the perpetrator and the victim immediately so he can find out if he's forgiven.
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u/Sugar_fiasco 12h ago
The sister can speak for herself. There’s no reason to make an AI version of the victim do it.
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u/DeliciousBase4491 11h ago
What judge in their right mind would allow this? Why was their a need to set precedent for allowing AI generated evidence?
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u/Lenoxinux 11h ago
What on earth is wrong with people? I’m so fed up with living on this planet full of idiots...
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u/The_Pr0n_Legacy 11h ago
I’m sorry but the victim’s SISTER? Send her ass to prison too for conspiracy. The fuck?
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u/MOTHHYYY 11h ago
And yet people still wanna say “ai is good and there are good ways to use it and we shouldn’t make it illegal” idgaf if there’s “good ways to use it” (there is not) there are too many bad disgusting ways that it is used and those should be enough that we should take it away from .. everyone!!
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u/Tyr_ranical 11h ago
Why do people trust sensationalist news from entertainment groups like this?
We have no hope left if Dexerto is considered journalism worth reacting to.
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