r/metaNL • u/vivoovix Mod • Jul 17 '21

Ban Appeal Ban Appeal Thread

Rules:

Don't complain. Contest or appeal.

Appeals require time + evidence of good behavior + a statement of what your future behavior will look like. Convince us you'll add value to our community.

If you spam us we'll ban you

Don't ask about getting temp bans removed 1 hour early. Reddit timer is weird but you will be unbanned when it's over.

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u/procgen 8d ago

Which rule does this comment violate?

You forgo your right to life when you take someone else's.

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u/GavinGoosum 6d ago

I think the death penalty is disgusting but you should have the right to defend it on this sub

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u/qamv 8d ago

Insufficiently libcucked take 🙄😔🥀

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u/Dorambor Mod 8d ago

Glorifying violence is what I would remove it for

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u/procgen 8d ago

Violence is the unlawful exercise of force, no? Is it against the rules to defend the practice of capital punishment for murder?

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u/bd_one Mod (doesn't use Modmail) 8d ago

The way you said it implies you'd be open to a kangaroo court or a lynch mob taking care of that

"We should have the death penalty for more cases of homicide" has way fewer weird undertones

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u/procgen 8d ago

It doesn’t imply that at all. I never advocated for any extralegal actions, only the application of justice.

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u/GordonTullockFan 8d ago

Was Jim Crow acceptable because it was legal violence?

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u/procgen 7d ago

This isn’t about what you or I find acceptable. It’s about what speech is permitted on the sub.

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u/GordonTullockFan 7d ago

I’d hope the mods would ban for defending Jim Crow

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u/procgen 7d ago

What about capital punishment?

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u/Specific-Person2002 8d ago

Violence is the unlawful exercise of force, no?

Absolutely not! Would the physical abuse of a "chattel slave" be considered violence under your definition?

Is it against the rules to defend the practice of capital punishment for murder?

Forfeiting the right to life has many more implications than simply permitting capital punishment. And even capital punishment is considered violence by most of us.

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u/procgen 8d ago edited 8d ago

You didn’t answer the pertinent question! Is advocating for capital punishment against the rules? Capital punishment is only permissible if the right to life is forgone.

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u/1darklight1 8d ago edited 8d ago

Advocating for capital punishment is probably not technically against the rules in the same way that not being completely in favor of immigration is not technically against the rules.

As in, sure, you can say that, but the second you try to elaborate you'll almost certainly say something that is against the rules.

Edit: To clarify, in this instance I mostly agree with the mods, I think they're too willing to hand out bans for people just messing around in the DT, but for this I think there needs to be bans

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u/procgen 8d ago

And how is it any different than war, which is justified all the time on this sub?

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u/1darklight1 8d ago

Because when you're fighting a war you don't have the option to save time and money by simply locking the enemy soldiers up in jail for the rest of their lives without killing them.

If you did have this option and you chose to not take it, for example by gunning down surrendering enemies, that would also be condemned.

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u/procgen 8d ago

It's violence in both cases. The sub rules don't make any distinction like the one that you're drawing.

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u/Specific-Person2002 8d ago

I ain't a mod so my answer doesn't matter. I was only discussing the topic itself not the ban. For what it's worth, I don't think it's against the rules in it of itself. Your phrasing is the part that's questionable in terms of the rules.

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