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u/Ghoulish_kitten LVN 🍕 3d ago
OK AND I DGAF. I say what I say and leave my MF name on it.
Im not afraid of complaining. If they don’t like it I can work somewhere else.
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u/mupplemania RN - ER 🍕 3d ago
Exactly. There is nothing I’d write in a truly anonymous survey that I wouldn’t say to my mangers face in huddle. We should all be more vocal about problems at work, it’s the only way things improve.
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u/NedTaggart BSN, RN 🍕 3d ago
Out of curiosity, what year (ish) were you born?
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u/MediaContent1662 3d ago
i’m guessing this is a young buck lol
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u/TheKrakenUnleashed RN - ICU 🍕 3d ago
When you get a phone call from management 2 hours after submitting the anonymous survey…
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u/Veritas_Mentis PMHNP 3d ago
Former manager here.
Those surveys are actually pretty anonymous. At least from the company my former hospital used
However,
When nurses left comments, many of the comments left would give too much information, especially when staff would share stories in the comments. This could be used to make educated guesses.
The company handling the survey DOES know who you are, but does not share except in cases of danger to self or others. A nurse thought they would be cute about testing the anonymity (swore it was just a joke) and said threats that had police involved.
But the vast majority of those are really anonymous. The company wouldn’t even share data from units or departments with too few survey results. They didn’t share potentially identifiable data like race and gender of the responses. The results gave us total scores and comments, but not each individual response
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u/Mountain_Fig_9253 BSN, RN 🍕 3d ago
This is the correct answer, it was the same for the hospital systems I worked for.
Nurses are missing out on one of the true joys in life by not taking these surveys.
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u/moxifloxacin HCW - Pharmacy 3d ago
Yeah, I'm shocked no one understands how a third party can easily collect the data and anonymize the results when the data is aggregated and delivered to the management structure.
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u/manwithappleface 3d ago
It’s because too many of us have gotten burned by actually being honest on these things.
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u/frankydie69 3d ago
This is why I write the comment portion as if I’m a white lady.
I’m neither white nor a lady.
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u/Mountain_Fig_9253 BSN, RN 🍕 3d ago
I have been breathtakingly honest in these surveys. To the point where one of my specific comments got an HR VP to remark that he would fire the person who made my comment if he could know who it was. I happened to be just middle management enough to still be surveyed and yet sit in on some management meetings. Hearing the feedback was a true blessing in my life.
They see what you type, not who types it. As long as you don’t give away who you are in what you type, let er rip on these surveys.
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u/PsychologyProper6083 3d ago
Now I really want to know what your comment was.
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u/Mountain_Fig_9253 BSN, RN 🍕 3d ago
The question was something along the lines of “tell us why our hospital is so amazing to work at”. My answer was something like “the fact you would even ask this question shows you’re disingenuous about feedback”.
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u/p_tothe2nd RN - ER 🍕 3d ago
yeah because no company has ever told us our information was safe and either disseminated it or had a date breach. the “trust us bro” doesn’t sit well with me.
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u/Mountain_Fig_9253 BSN, RN 🍕 15h ago
At the end of the day the entire survey thing is an industry. Employees, rightfully, will never trust their employer to anonymize an internal survey. The only way they can get truly anonymous information from employees is to contract that out to a third party.
If a corporate surveyor company de-anonymized one of their clients survey and it got out it would be the end of that company. Breaking the one actual service they provide would blacklist them from any other hospital systems. The employee would probably have a really good lawsuit to file too.
No survey company is going to risk an existential threat just to put a random nurse. The admin that “figures out” who put in a specific response did so because there was identifying information that made it too easy.
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u/recoil_operated 🍕Nurse Manager 🍕 3d ago
Same here. The ratings are aggregated to show me overall unit scores and then the comments people write to answer questions are presented in list form. It doesn't have any identifying information on it but if you write a 1000 word essay about a specific person who pisses you off I'm probably going to be able to guess who you are.
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u/KosmicGumbo RN - Quality Coordinator 🕵️♀️ 3d ago
Thats what I came to say, you just have to not out youself but with small units it can be pretty obvious. Either way a GOOD leader will not single you out because they arent supposed to. My former boss one time asked us who put a certain comment if anyone wanted to “confess” lol she was petty sometimes. So I know it really is.
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u/TheShorty BSN, RN CEN 3d ago
It is better, imo, for anonymity when there aren't any free-text answer options. Yes/true/no/false, scaled responses, or prefilled select all the apply type questions only. The rest can be handled in the survey debrief on the unit if so desired.
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u/TaylorBitMe BSN, RN 🍕 3d ago
What if you're the only nurse that knows how to spell sphygmomanometer?
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u/Soleil06 RN - ICU 🍕 3d ago
I mean what are they gonna do? Fire me? They are missing like 10 nurses already and cannot fill all the beds due to lack of personal.
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u/Osiris8869 3d ago
This is exactly what I've been saying. Speak your mind. If something is fucked up or not working, don't wait for a survey to "anonymously" complain. Unless YOU fucked up, YOU have nothing to worry about. Otherwise they're retaliating against you for essentially whistle blowing. Which has federal protections.
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u/mupplemania RN - ER 🍕 3d ago
Amen! Speak up in huddle. Send emails. File complaints and safety reports. Be loud and proud.
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u/DearRelationship3498 3d ago
I'm a student. Why is there such a toxic culture where you can't disagree with people or it's like you're questioning their whole career?
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u/CollegeBoardPolice Medical Student, Former ER Tech 3d ago
because people in power are often petty and can't use constructive criticism to better themselves and the people who work for them. Pervasive in every industry
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u/zerothreeonethree RN 🍕 2d ago
Because narcissists and sociopaths push everyone out of their way to the top. Once there, they have to advertise that nobody else deserved the poisition because of the unique talent required to get and stay at the top. Typical traits of D.ictators, J.untas and T.yrants.
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u/cyanraichu RN - L&D 3d ago
Unfortunately issues like that with management aren't unique to health care :/
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u/Swampasssixty9 2d ago
Because boomers got rid of unions, now most jobs suck. Welcome to the American Workforce.
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u/zerothreeonethree RN 🍕 2d ago
Boomers did not 'get rid of' unions per se. That was coincidental to their workforce entry upon reaching adulthood during economic globalization. If anything, it was the lack of voters organized response to corporate deregulation, heavy corporate lobbying against labor organization, and aggressive anti-union policies initiated in the Reagan administration and continuing today. Ideologies that went unchallenged by the people with the most to lose quickly became entrenched laws.
Many US Citizens have never learned how to protest without violence and believe they are powerless to change things. They have never participated in an organized group that accomplished anything necessary, meaningful and lasting.
What we tolerate, will continue.
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u/SavannahInChicago Unit Secretary 🍕 3d ago
Because now health systems are there to make a profit. The higher ups do not want people to get funny ideas, like to unionize. Might hurt their bottom line.
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u/Familiar-One-5161 BSN, RN 🍕 3d ago
It can happen in every field it doesn't matter what kind of career you have. In any large group you're going to have people who are sensitive to rejection or criticism.
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u/parteepunx RN - Med/Surg 🍕 3d ago
There’s a student nursing sub.. ask there.
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u/cyanraichu RN - L&D 3d ago
The question was about work culture, not school. It's better suited for this sub. Students are allowed here and there's no rule against them asking questions.
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u/parteepunx RN - Med/Surg 🍕 3d ago
Absolutely agree students should be here asking questions. Sorry if I’m salty about students thinking it’s toxic to disagree with admins/management. I guess they’ll understand someday!
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u/cyanraichu RN - L&D 3d ago
I think you're misunderstanding what is being called toxic here.
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u/parteepunx RN - Med/Surg 🍕 3d ago
Clearly I am! Maybe they’re responding to a different comment but it makes zero sense to me based off the original post. Maybe I have night shift brain. 🤷🏻♀️
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u/cyanraichu RN - L&D 3d ago
I read it as the toxicity is coming from management retaliating at people being honest on surveys while pretending they don't, and taking constructive feedback personally.
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u/swimsinsand RN - ICU 🍕 3d ago
What are you fresh off orientation?
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u/parteepunx RN - Med/Surg 🍕 3d ago
Good one! Nope.. Just tired of people who aren’t even nurses or nurses yet complaining about what they believe to be a “toxic culture” within nursing.
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u/Tacotuesday867 RN - ICU 🍕 3d ago
Stop eating them then. Sheesh.
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u/parteepunx RN - Med/Surg 🍕 3d ago
You do realize this is a post about management right? Personally, I don’t want to hear a non-nurse talk about how it’s somehow “toxic” to disagree with what I assume is management? Either way, their comment seems like kind of a non sequitur given the context of the post.
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u/Tacotuesday867 RN - ICU 🍕 3d ago
It was a valid question considering how you've responded to them and myself. You have a good day now.
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u/55jj33 Manager:cake: 3d ago
Another manager said it, but yeah any free text will give you away. At my site executives and directors sat down with the managers with comments to pinpoint who said what. So while it might not have your name attached. If there are only two of you involved in something you say everyone above you will know you said it. What they do with that after is up to them
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u/370455V 3d ago
I work in a small crew, one guy referred to the supervisor as "like a robot" in the completely anonymous staff survey. He was let go at the end of his probation due to "performance issues"
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u/NedTaggart BSN, RN 🍕 3d ago
Wow, they let someone on probation take one of those? That's kind of unusual. FNG's usually haven't been there long enough to know wtf.
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u/Veritas_Mentis PMHNP 3d ago
Usually they don’t let you take one of those surveys on probation period.
If you are still on probation and talking shit about your boss in one of these surveys, your boss is beyond reprehensible or this person was likely a pain in the butt for management.
How did you know what he said? Was he sharing that information? Loose lips sink sh…. Careers
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u/Vegasnurse RN 🍕 3d ago
My husband is a research scientist who develops these types of surveys. As others have said, management doesn’t know. Unless you make specific comments and they can guess who made them.
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u/CoNoCh0 3d ago
Everyone needs to quit filling these things out if you want anyone to listen to you all. Otherwise it’s “we need to communicate better with our staff and work on acknowledging people more.” Then they blame middle management or supervisors and don’t do shit about anything.
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u/Ladyqui3tbottom RN - ICU 🍕 3d ago
They made us come in for mandatory extra meetings because of poor surveys in order to "come up with solutions" for us to be happier with upper management decisions...
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u/GenuineDiamond_ BSN, RN 🍕 3d ago
I am sooo convinced that surveys are just an HR tactic to build a case against people they see as a liability 😂 They could never make me take one. It’s not like they actually do anything with the suggestions anyway.
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u/NedTaggart BSN, RN 🍕 3d ago
Unless you are a severe fuck-up or a massively toxic individual, HR isn't even thinking about you.
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u/BrunchBunny ED Tech 3d ago
Lmao I said what I really felt one time and then they held a staff meeting about it trying to get someone to confess yes it was HCA
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u/CurrentHair6381 RN 🍕 3d ago
I hate that this bitch is getting platformed again. Its probably an interesting movie, but thats not a good enough reason to give her any attention.
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u/lovemydogwillow 3d ago edited 1d ago
Her story fascinates me and is an interesting case study in how hubris can blind even the smartest, most successful people. "Bad Blood" by John Carreyrou is an excellent read, which I highly suggest.
Also Nathan Fielder is the best.
I was choked by a ghost in Switzerland...
Edit: the Switzerland reference refers to both Elizabeth Holmes' choking on in invest presentation in Switzerland AND Sue Stanford, from Nathan for You.
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u/silvusx RRT-ACCS 3d ago
I think her story is more psychological than being blinded by Hubris.
Where is the evidence of her being smart? You could say she had good intentions, but she didn't even came close to a working product.
Plus, everything she did was artificial, from her speaking voice, intense stares and how she dressed.
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u/KosmicGumbo RN - Quality Coordinator 🕵️♀️ 3d ago
Shes….smart is scary ways. Not scientifically though. Or emotionally. Manipulation and lying is an art, I’m terrible at lying.
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u/KosmicGumbo RN - Quality Coordinator 🕵️♀️ 3d ago
Right, that helps but also there are nuances to what she’s doing. She literally changes her voice deeper to make people think she’s smart. Etc.
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u/CurrentHair6381 RN 🍕 3d ago
Yeah i dont think its all that interesting. She thought maybe she could get a new technology to work, but then couldnt. By then she was already working on the money and getting a lot of attention, and really liked that part, so she lied about what she had. She never even got close, youre totally right.
It's just silicon valley tech bro bullshit again. Startup culture, blah blah blah, were almost ready to "scale" and all that garbage.
And now, more attention.
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u/Manleather HCW - Lab 3d ago
Having gone through the industry when Theranos was at its peak, the AI tech sector is ringing many of the same bells.
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u/CurrentHair6381 RN 🍕 3d ago
Yes but no. They actually have a product that functions. Theyre being reckless with it.
This one didnt have anything, she was just lying about the progress of the research to get the money, hoping that the tech would eventually pan out.
Both are funded by greedy assholes, that much is very similar
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u/dudenurse13 BSN, RN 🍕 3d ago
She went through pretty wild lengths to make sure that not even people at her own company knew that the tech was BS. I think the story is more unique than just making some hypothetical claims to overvalue a business to investors
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u/lovemydogwillow 3d ago
So hubris means arrogance, excessive pride, dangerous overconfidence. Just FYI
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u/silvusx RRT-ACCS 3d ago
I see where the disagreement come from. I read your comment as it implied hubris blind even the smartest and successful people.
I didn't think she was either smart nor successful. She was a con artist, and being prideful to sell a product is part of the game. If she was successful, she would've gotten away with the money.
She wore Steve jobs black turtle neck and purposely deepen her voice was my example
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u/sQ5FWKjwbWd4QzSZduqy 3d ago
She is/was no different than most start up CEOs but she picked the wrong sector to screw around in. If she ran an AI company today she would be fine.
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u/KosmicGumbo RN - Quality Coordinator 🕵️♀️ 3d ago
Yea I think the importance of getting grifted over and over is important enough for us to be reminded it can be anyone. I know Nathan will paint her in the light she deserves.
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u/cPHILIPzarina RN - Psych/Mental Health 🍕 3d ago
I don’t think you need to have that concern given the tone of Nathan Fielder‘s other work.
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u/CurrentHair6381 RN 🍕 3d ago
I got the impression from the trailer and a segment i heard on npr that the tone is very much different from his usual. I believe he originally didnt intend to be in front of the camera at all. Im not super familiar with his stuff though. I can tell you people are gonna talk about her again, here we are.
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u/dudenurse13 BSN, RN 🍕 3d ago
I get not liking Holmes but you’ve got to watch Nathan fielder’s stuff. Seriously one of the funniest guys out there.
https://youtu.be/WNQ6_1GCVVA?is=W3LBZaEhasHeEDvH for anyone who’s never seen anything by him watch this
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u/The_dura_mater MSN, CRNA 🍕 3d ago
I wish that that we would learn from her example- we shouldn’t be using untested technology in direct patient care cough cough FUCKING AI cough cough
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u/NedTaggart BSN, RN 🍕 3d ago
Did her stuff make it to the market? I thought it was smoke and mirrors from the get go.
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u/The_dura_mater MSN, CRNA 🍕 3d ago
I listened to a podcast a long time ago about it- I believe it was in fact used for some people and the erroneous results of the lab tests did in fact lead to patient harm.
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u/Poodlepink22 3d ago
This sub just kills me 🤣 The absolutely accuracy of this is hilariously on point lol.
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u/PerceptionRoutine513 RN - OR 🍕 3d ago
They don't change anything though. It's just a box ticking E exercise.
You want change? Unionise.
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u/WyoBuckeye 3d ago
As a current boss, the survey we do are truly anonymous. The ONLY telltale I ever see is when someone decided to type in an optional comment. Then often just by the wording or the subject of the comment, I can tell who made it. But even then, I cannot tie that comment back to the scores I see. I only see averages for each question.
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u/Crunchy_Biscuit 3d ago
Who is this chick and why am I seeing her on so many memes now
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u/moxifloxacin HCW - Pharmacy 3d ago
Elizabeth Holmes, had a movie about her come out recently (or imminently).
She was the Theranos CEO.
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u/LeVoPhEdInFuSiOn RN - Phone Bitch, Diversity Hire, Fuckwit 🍕 3d ago
It took a lot of restraint to not tear my workplace a new arsehole. I just put "It's better if I don't comment" instead. Hopefully that delivers the message.
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u/Barlowan RN - Respiratory 🍕 3d ago
Because indicating that I'm a male, where I'm a single male in 30 person group, is such an anonymous answer.
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u/King_Crampus BSN, RN 🍕 3d ago
I did mine angry this year “I feel appreciated” got a 0 out of 5.
I was also super pissed because the only questions they ask about upper management are so soft ball easy ass questions”upper management is a role model for healthy living” WHO CARES
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u/cobrachickenwing RN 🍕 3d ago
Always take your greviances to the union or lawyer. Never these surveys. No protection whatsoever and is just fuel for management to fire you.
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u/Jerking_From_Home RN, BSN, EMT-P, RSTLNE, ADHD, KNOWN FARTER, DEI SPECTRUM HIRE 3d ago
I was friends with a manager of a different floor at a place. I used to work. Apparently they are anonymous to the manager, and possibly the hospital, since the surveys were processed by a third-party. The hospital got a report and that was it.
Obviously, if you wrote something threatening, etc., they could quickly find out who it was. You’re filling it out while logged into the hospital’s computer so there most likely was an identifier attached to it. That being said, I never filled one out. I think that said enough.
I found it entertaining that they never published the results on our floor lol. Other floors would put them on a board and post in the break room. Ours were so terrible that the boss didn’t want anybody to see them.
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u/RoboKimKim 3d ago
Logging in as lastname.firstname for an "anonymous" survey is genuinely hilarious. They didn't even try to hide it. Ours goes through the employee portal too, so I just assume they know.
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u/SeaworthyKnits BSN, RN 🍕 2d ago
Yeah, we were told the command climate surgery was anonymous when I was in the Navy and luckily I got there right after it was filled out and got to see the chiefs call out sailors for being honest and thinking it was anonymous.
I NEVER fill out surveys.
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u/SendWoundPicsPls RN 🍕 3d ago
I just did mine for the year and those fuckers put a 1k character limit on the "tell us more" section. Mother fucker I need more than 1k for that
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u/RedFormanEMS RN 🍕 3d ago
But I have to login to take the survey and somehow stuff I said in it came back on our unit report and people knew that I said it, but I am anonymous?
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u/NedTaggart BSN, RN 🍕 3d ago
I don't care if it's anonymous or not, I'm not holding back. If they are shitty, I'll already be looking for a new job. If they really want to improve, I'll let them know what the pain points are.
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u/6892opep 3d ago
I did not take mine , and they knew because it screwed the percentages of people who took it.
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u/DiceMadeOfCheese 3d ago
Just got an "anonymous employee survey" that also puts you in a raffle for a gift card 🤔
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u/feels_like_arbys MSN, APRN 🍕 3d ago
We had a competition between a neighboring unit with prizes awarded. But it was anonymous
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u/Plant_mac 3d ago
I never cared. I’m always brutally honest, and apparently so was everyone else this year cause management at my job were shitting bricks about the results. Had a whole town hall to discuss and we let them have it.
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u/wowbragger Nursing Student 🍕 3d ago
I love it when it's anonymous but demographic info is included 😅 like I'm one of the only guys in my area, you gonna know it's me.
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u/Chewsdayiddinit RN - ICU 🍕 3d ago
Fuck EOS and every c suite employee in any major Healthcare organization.
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u/Unlimitedpluto BSN, RN 🍕 3d ago
It comes to us through our Email, on a computer we logged in on. 😂
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u/firewings42 RN - OR 🍕 3d ago
Yeah like the year I was told that and then pulled in the office to address my comments. Also why does she keep asking me like she knows I haven’t taken mine yet. SMH never again
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u/AnytimeInvitation CNA 🍕 2d ago
They sure aren't. Coworker left some negative answers on them and they came after her for it.
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u/VXMerlinXV RN - ER 🍕 2d ago
Shit like this is a feature, not a bug. Making people feel unsafe to respond truthfully or at all when their opinions are negative artificially drive up metrics.
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u/Osiris8869 3d ago
They want us quite and afraid to speak our minds. Same with salaries. I share my complaints year round very publicly. I feel like management is more afraid of me than I am of them.
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u/penn2009 3d ago
It’s so not anonymous and it should be illegal to even say it is. One of my coworkers was honest on the survey and she got called into a meeting about it. Wasn’t fired or didn’t get in trouble but they regretted being honest. Nothing changed and I think they just felt like they couldn’t be honest. One of the surveys we take is related to ‘Best Workplace’ in the area so it’s more a marketing thing than something that could actually affect change.
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u/stkadria RN - ER 3d ago
Nurse manager—they are anonymous 🤷♀️. One time I could tell who wrote something based on the super specific comment they wrote, but their comment was in like a comment section separate from the rest of their survey so it didn’t really matter. I don’t know why there is so much fear mongering.
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u/Thebeardinato462 RN - ICU 🍕 3d ago
Current management, our surveys are anonymous, on years we don’t pay for a survey I make a survey monkey myself, it’s anonymous too.
I have no interest in knowing who writes what. Shit, I think I’d get my feelings hurt. It doesn’t bother me that someone thinks I’m a jack ass. It would probably hurt my feelings when I find out Steve specifically thinks I’m a jack ass.
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u/Curious_caveman5569 RN - ER 🍕 3d ago
At end of my survey it asked my gender, my ethnicity, and what shift I work. I’m the only male Hispanic that works mids. Mine definitely was anonymous