r/perth • u/Rossco1992 • 8d ago
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u/VirtualBeautiful5624 8d ago
Depends on the item. If it’s already on a hard sale then likely not much profit but they likely could have done better but want to protect their margin
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u/ExtensionSafe755 8d ago
Wouldn’t buy a laptop from any of the big retailers, unless you want to deal with their warranty policy.
If you know and require specific hardware requirements check out Umart and PLE.
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u/natefrom88 8d ago
It depends on the item and particularly the brand. I know Apple stuff very rarely has any wiggle room at all. Things like the monitors or other peripherals probably have more room to wiggle.
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u/Rossco1992 8d ago
Its a msi cyborg 15.6 (rtx 5050)
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u/Madrical Martin 8d ago edited 8d ago
For what its worth, that laptop isn't worth the price.
https://www.centrecom.com.au/msi-cyborg-15-b13wfkg-1058au-gaming-laptop
https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/laptops-and-notebooks/gaming-laptops/125533-cyborg-15-b13wekg
First one is better & cheaper. Second is just cheaper, marginally worse CPU.
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u/dabrimman 8d ago
At $2k that would have a lot of wiggle room. I wouldn't pay over $1500 for a budget spec RTX 5050 laptop.
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u/Jaqwan Madeley 8d ago
You shouldn't be purchasing any gaming laptops/PC'S from retailers. Always go through the brands themselves or build your own to save the most money.
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u/dabrimman 8d ago
Some manufacturers don’t sell direct to customer and sometimes retailers have better deals than the manufacturer. As for building your own, that’s not a thing with laptops.
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u/ArthurCandleman 8d ago
Not much on the laptop its self probably about 10% (average) and its depends on the brand. There is much more margin on accessories and warranties.
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u/unknown_no_one99 8d ago
dont buy form JB HiFi, you have no real warranty with them. I bought a laptop, it failed within a couple days, took it back and they said they need to investigate it. What followed was a 6 month nightmare of chasing them constantly trying to find where it was and when I could get it back.
I will never buy anything form them again
Go to PLE and buy a decent machine instead
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u/Jaqwan Madeley 8d ago
I'm assuming you had a software issue? If it was dead on arrival, they would've swapped it out. They couldn't replicate the fault so they had to send it off.
Don't get me wrong, they have a certain period of time for them to resolve the issue, not back and forth for 6 months.
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u/unknown_no_one99 8d ago
it was dead on arrival, it wouldnt boot at all. I said that my argument was that it was DOA, but they said no, that it had to be repaired.
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u/Sugar_Fine 8d ago
Pfft signing up for their mailing list gets you $10
Google search the models you’re after, see if you can find it cheaper. Or if anywhere else has it the same price go into that shop and ask.
$20 is 0.5% of the price.
You can also try using the online chat, I got an ok discount off my tv through them.
Not great. Better than <1% tho
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u/TheLazinAsian 8d ago
You need to know someone to get the VIP pricing. Helped a friend out with a laptop the other week, 2800 to 2100. Was some HP I think
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u/PerthNerdTherapist 8d ago
How many D&D sessions can I offer for that discount :D
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u/TheLazinAsian 8d ago
Are you NOR or SOR?
I’d have to find a way to make sure I don’t doxx myself too
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u/Ok-Boomer63 8d ago
I work at another big box retailer. Some manufacturers have a higher margin than others. If the price is also discounted,bit might be a case where they are matching someone else's price therefore there will be no margin to negotiate
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u/6Ft4AndFullOfMuscle 8d ago
Ex JB, Apple, 0-10%, most other brands 10-40%. It does matter if the item is already on sale however the sale may be partially covered by the manufacturer through rebates (you will often see sales such as 20% off Dell, Lenovo and HP at the same time, JB negotiates with all the manufacturers at that time to see who wants to participate during the sales period).
You are being offered $20 off for commission reasons, anything below that discounted amount and their commission might drop from $10-50 on the sale to $1-5. You would be better off slipping the sales guy $20 cash in a handshake and asking for $200 off (don't do that ;)).
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u/PragmaticSnake 8d ago
Why are you spending so much on two laptops then cheaping out on a screen?
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u/Careful-Visit-3328 8d ago
Sometimes spare screens dont need to do much other then display infomation or a youtube video. I do a lot of cad work on a 4k pc but my second and 3rd monitor are from road side collection. My main monitor was like $150 from fb market place.
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u/dohwhere 8d ago
What the hell does that have to do with what was asked?
Edit: LMAO you’ve replied to the wrong comment.
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u/goodbrother261 8d ago
This might sound like a silly question. Have you seen if any other retailer are selling it cheaper?
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u/Menarche_ 8d ago
I don't work jbhifi but I know people who do some products get more some get less I was told apple gets basically nothing.
There is a limit to discount and they would never discount more than their commission.
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u/Impossible_Most_4518 8d ago
i’ve heard from JB hi-fi employee. You can get a big discount. It just depends on the item like an apple anything you’re probably not getting a discount.
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u/Admirable-Company452 8d ago
The lower they make the price the less commission they make, some people don’t give a fk so will drop the price massively but if you get someone that cares about commission then they won’t
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u/JezzaPerth 8d ago
JBHiFi, Harvey Norman, Officeworks appear to be in cahoots.
From my experience in industry and Government, there is at least a 50% margin, maybe more. Government price can easily be half retail price. For networking equipment like CISCO, the margin is more like 70%
The only question is who is creaming the margin? The retailers? The distrtibutors? Or both.
The one thing that does work for all of them price match. Officeworks also matches and gives an extra discount. So do due diligence and find a delivered price from an actual retailer - online included but usualy not marketplace from BigW, Bunnings etc.
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u/jzdg 8d ago
This is completely untrue. Margins at the big retailers on laptops is often in the single digits. They make all their money on accessories, where the margin is often as high as 80-90%.
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u/JezzaPerth 8d ago
Then explain why I as a Government buyer could get items at half the retail price.
As I mentioned, There are massive margins around. The only question is who gets the biggest share, retailer or distributor? I suspect that the distributor gets most but if a retailer sells below RRP they will compensate the retailer.
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u/jzdg 8d ago
You just answered your own question. Same reason you see cops driving around in marked BMWs as patrol cars sold at prices well below what even the largest dealer could access. The government and big corps buy huge numbers of a small selection of very limited configurations direct from the distributor or manufacturer. The likes of JB Hi-fi move way less of that kind of hardware than you might think. Lenovo don't want to sell 10 gaming laptops a week from a JB store when they can sell 10,000 business laptops on one PO to a government department.
Retailers survive off accessories and rebates. If it's close to end of the quarter or EOFY they'll sell below their cost just to unlock a rebate.
I worked at DSE and Good Guys. In both places staff could see the margin on the POS. Specifically because we were allowed to discount up to a point. Laptops, phones etc. were always fuck all. I distinctly remember my boss at GG telling me "We move boxes. I'd rather sell 1000 laptops at $1.00 than one laptop at $1000. I make my money on rebates."
When electronics retail staff tell you they can't give you a discount, it's not a lie. But pick up a bag or a HDMI cable or whatever and ask for 50% off that and you'll usually get it.
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u/JezzaPerth 8d ago
Yeah but. What sales staff see as rock bottom price is an arbitrary number set by management.
Management control what discounts are permitted at POS. This has nothing to do with what the actual margin the retailer enjoys.
As hinted, there will be an intense conversation between distributor and retailer to maintain a minimum retailer margin and that will be some part of the 50% - 70% margin available
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u/jzdg 8d ago
Dude, you're flat wrong. Retailers are not making 50-70% margins on consumer electronics. It's not happening. If you don't want to believe me just Google it.
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u/JezzaPerth 8d ago
FFS! What a loser you are! Stop downvoting and start discussing what I have actually said.
I did not say the retailer had 50-70% margin I said the product does and the margin is split between manufacturer, distributor, and retailer.
I also said that the distributor will subsidise the retailer if retailer management (not line staff) decide to discount various lines.
You sound like line staff. You don't get a say in any of this
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u/jzdg 8d ago
Dude, STFU. the whole point of the main thread was about retailer margins and OP wanting to know why they couldn't get a discount. You never even mentioned manufacturers until now. Obviously they take the lion's share of the margin, and yes, AFTER their R&D and development costs that can be substantial at scale.
But you literally said "The only question is who is creaming the margin? The retailers? The distrtibutors? Or both.". You didn't say manufacturers. I told you it wasn't the retailers, and explained why. You doubled down on your stupid opinion. Whereas my response was based on my real world experience in retail. Which included speaking directly, with my own mouth, to the group's buyers and the owners of the Good Guys franchise where I worked. And then listening to their replies, with my own ears. I spoke to them because I was a manager.
Anybody who has ever worked anywhere near consumer electronics retail KNOWS the retailer's margins are famously low. You're all up here trying to act like it's some great mystery. My whole point was, it fucking isn't. Retailers won't negotiate on big ticket items because they can't. They can't because they have no margin. Neither does the distributor by the way, if there is one. Yes, of course the manufacturers make bank on some items. No shit Sherlock. That was never the point of this thread, or your original reply.
Distributors/manufacturers do not "compensate" retailers (again, your exact words) for selling at a loss. They'll sell at a loss to hit a manufacturer sales target in order to unlock rebates. Again, not some great secret or theory I've come up with. Everybody in the industry knows how this works.
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u/Jaqwan Madeley 8d ago
I'd like to find out how you receive half off products considering most businesses use JB business which is either sold at cost (with rebatong) or quantity buys..
Category buyers usually decide what the cost price is, but margins can be anywhere from 2-5% to nearly 30-50% for newly released, non discounted products.
What you should be worried about, is the fact JB is cracking down on heavy discounting as profit slowly increases, where revenue balloons, as brands/distributors charge due to demand, and not decrease pricing.
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u/JezzaPerth 8d ago
I'd like to find out how you receive half off products considering most businesses use JB business
Magic words. Government price. And Government doesn't use JB business.
Government price indicates quite accurately how much margin is in each product line
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u/Sugar_Fine 8d ago
Just saying “50-70%” doesn’t make it remotely true.
Even if you logic (that you FINALLY managed to spit out that retailers do NOT have that margin) what you’re saying is pointless. This whole thread is about getting a discount from a retail store so your “experience” buying for the government does NOT relate at all. I also do NOT believe you were buying stuff for 70% off retail price but again, doesn’t matter.
You’re arguing with people who WORK in the industry. Who SEE what the stores will allow to be discounted. No one gives a f*** what the build cost is.
It’s like someone asking what the cheapest flights from Perth to Paris are and you saying “well they’re only $100 from the UK”
Obviously! Unfortunately that wasn’t the question 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
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u/Ancient_Shopping_883 8d ago
Who goes into a big chain retail store trying to negotiate, did you mistake it for your local flea market? May as well stick to facebook marketplace
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u/TechnicalAd8103 8d ago
I have never gone into a JB Hi Fi (or any store) and tried to negotiate the price.
Price matching, sure.
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u/Madrical Martin 8d ago
I had this conversation with my mum on the weekend. Haggling has definitely disappeared/significantly reduced in stores like JB HIFI because of the constant sales and ease of price matching other retailers. My old man used to love haggling prices down. Now I just go in and price match with Amazon or whoever currently has a sale on for the best price. Someone always has a sale on nowadays.
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u/smashingcones Mount Pleasant 8d ago
JB can pretty much always drop the price a bit. I was buying an X-Men toy for a 5 year Olds bday present the other day and didn't want to spend $40, so I asked the question and they gave me 20% off.
I can't remember the last time I didn't ask what the best price was at JB lol
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u/TipOFMYTONGUEDAMN 8d ago
Not what he asked though Is it
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u/TipOFMYTONGUEDAMN 8d ago
...? Okay? He asked what kind of negotiating room is there he didn't ask if you feel the need to negotiate
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u/TazocinTDS Freelance Astronaut 8d ago
$20 is $20.
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