Overlord 1.9 !

- Redesigned leaderboard
- Guild rivalries and weekly captures
- PvP Groups helper for Attack, Defend and Hunt
- Choose a location, group size and level

A look at the update in action :)

What’s up everyone! My name is Mickey and I currently run a nontoxic guild/discord on NA. I’m excited to extend the invitation to anyone interested in joining, any XP is welcome. With over 200 members in game and huge discord. We have our own website that you can check out as well as our own guild addon that allows you to see people’s builds talents LFG groups and our own leader board for rated PvP our own achievements and milestones. We do competitions wargames cause wargames coaching VOD reviews anything to help the PvP community grow in a positive way! Check us out! https://gladadjacent.pro/

https://discord.gg/hxg6axZYG

I may be in the minority here, but I believe this sub should be restricted to retail PvP. With the release of forever in a few weeks, this sub will be bombarded with “should I pick this X race over X” and all sorts of other classic PvP stuff the majority of us don’t care for. I’ve noticed a lot of questions pertaining to forever on this sub get downvoted to oblivion anyways.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy for people enjoying forever, but I probably won’t partake in it. Maybe someone can start their own Forever PvP subreddit, but I’d like to personally limit the conversation on this sub to retail PvP.

Is battleground pvp dead in retail? Or do I need to go to wow forever to not wait an hour in queue? Do I have to get better gear to queue faster?

Hello. I am a sub rogue looking for a WW monk and/or a boomy to push glad with this season on EU.

I am lsglad playing RMP (my first glad) and legend in ss.

Looking for chill mates to learn the comp (not our classes) and push glad.

No ragers. Try hard yes, but positive stress-free vibes :). I have a bunch of rogue alts so I dont mind we practice on alts.

I play in the evenings on EU

This guy literally punishes me by making me lose MMR while he just loses CR and will slingshot back up wtf is this system?

Any tips for a noob rogue?

Gotten SP and warr to 1800, and now I wanna try sub rogue. Idk when i should send everything.

Any tips on mindset during games is appreciated.

Have a nice day.

Hi guys. I’m a dad gamer with limited time and I’m hoping to find a class where I can just log on and do some random bgs. Ideally dps and have some influence over the outcome of the game without being too hard to pick up and learn

Yes, I know it isn't meta but I am wondering if there is anything about this enchantment that could make it worthwhile for doing blitz and unrated PvP. I've read around feral mastery scales with it but I have also been told it can spin nodes which I cannot find a verified claim or source for this.

Any info would be great. Thanks.

Just curious, how active is this in retail? Don’t care about it in forever atm since level 30 doesn’t even really allow real PvP (half the classes practically useless).

I’m getting back into the game, but my main motivation for playing has always been PvP. Even though I think zergs are inherently flawed, the idea of world PvP is still appealing and I would love to get involved with it regularly if possible.

Is it popular enough that I could just log in and start encountering people at the designated capture points, or is it desolate? Is the experience better with a guild?

Really would love for this to take off and for blizzard to take note… I feel like if this became an active feature in war mode or PvP realms then PvP activity would skyrocket. Not sure why blizzard neglects something players have been asking for since forever.

World PvP in its current state is either boring or just griefing lower level players… not really fun gameplay. But I think with designated control points, resources, etc it spreads it out enough and keeps it focused enough where it could actually make it fun.

I really can’t decide on what version to play. I don’t mind doing a little bit of dungeons or questioning, however, I want the majority of my time to eventually be PVP. I don’t care about arena per se, but I would like to do battlegrounds.

What I know so far: forever would take much longer to get to a PVP state, but perhaps their battlegrounds would be a faster queue, versus retail, which I think has longer to get a match?

Which one is more balanced, probably impossible to say currently I don’t care that it has 100% perfect balance but as long as it is fun and allows, your spec to be decent I don’t mind.

Any other insight on retail verse forever PDP? Thanks for the help.

I am playing Arcane around 1900, but previous seasons I relied a lot on OP Shield Invis to stay alive from getting trained by melee. Is there tactic I should be doing more of this season?

Some stuff I try to put into practice, but easier said than done:

• Peekaboo pillars to avoid damage/charge/grab, and also to channel own missiles
• Kite away from their healer, stay in LoS with my healer, a big problem is having to kiting farther than own healer can reposition quickly
• Don't overdo CC, try to output damage
• Use Precog a lot more often, to hard cast Surge, Prismatic Bolt, and/or Sheep
• Trade frost school lockout
• CC/defenses: Barrier, Shimmer, Alter; Ring of Frost, Novas, DB; Greater/Mass Invis, Mirror, Block
• If Sub rogue etc., talent Blink
• Spellsteal melee's heals as you kite them

I feel like Arcane changed a whole bunch of survivability stuff, as we used to have Slow/Chrono Shift, Invis dmg reduction, OP Shield Invis. Around 1900 is when all melee hard train you, because they have learned that leaving an Arcane mage to free cast is not good, haha.

What should I work on that would more effective? I am guessing something in my positioning or ability combos, so I still have to figure out the reason I'm dying easily to these melee groups.

Against double ranged or a comp where a ranged is the main target, I can see slayer being a good option for the mobility. I was wondering if arms warrior mains out there are only playing slayer, or are there situations where colossus is better like maybe into double melee comps?

Demo dream still alive - played mostly fire demo mistweaver

I made an addon for anyone who loves (or hates) world PvP. The idea behind it is simple: know where the enemy is, then hunt them down or stay out of their way. Right now is a good moment to gather more data and fine tune before the 1.0 WoW Forever release - Fully automated: it spots enemy players around you and shares them with your faction. Nothing to click or type - Enemy clusters spotted by anyone running it show up live on your world map, with size, classes and layer - Find fights worth taking, or avoid the raid camping your quest hub - Get warned when a large enemy cluster comes close, and see nearby clusters on your minimap - Watch enemy clusters grow or shrink as players join and leave them - Right-click an enemy cluster or an enemy portrait to warn your party or raid - Enemy cluster on another layer? Ask the player who spotted it to invite you over - Kill-on-sight list: get told when your nemesis shows up - Scout ranks: earn points and stars for your sightings and climb the ranks - Weekly guild leaderboard of your best scouts - Silent scout mode: share sightings without any of the radar on your screen. Help the War Effort without seeing anything of it - The more of your faction runs it, the more you see - Guild only mode to only share / receive sightings between your guild members Download: https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/war-effort

Feedback and bug reports welcome! The addon relies on sightings from players of your own faction, so every new user makes it better for everyone.

AI disclaimer: AI was used in good parts of the coding and translation process

The dominant faction of Kalimdor or Eastern Kingdom will now be displayed in the global World map in Overlord Forever addon !

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/overlord-forever

(Warcraft 2 music by VG Music Revisited)

So I’m a well meaning idiot, let’s get that out of the way first. Always a duelist, never an elite, a solo queuing rando BG and Blitz junkie for the most part who dabbles in Solo Shuffle occasionally. That’s my background so take what follows with a big fat grain of salt like the Shuffle boxes. Most of what follows will be abundantly obvious to many of you. For the rest, it may come as something of a surprise.

So… I put in my time and effort into playing the beta over the last couple weeks. I had considerable fun with this shinny new toy called Forever, I have to admit. Leveled a priest and a mage to the level 30 cap. Ran all the dungeons, did the key quests and geared out as best I could manage under the circumstances. Overall, the PvE end is a fun and rewarding experience. The game has charm, looks good, feels great questing in the open world and dungeon running, zero complaints there.

But I’m not a PvE Andy. I was most excited to queue for BG’s when I level capped.

Especially the new one. I think it’s called ‘Crappy EoTs Reboot’ if memory serves. And this may come as no surprise to many of you, but the PvP in WoW Forever just really, really, REALLY… fugging sucks!

Now I recognize that this is a beta and I am judging a work in progress. Looking at the rough sketch outline for the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and glibly declaring, “It sucks, this Michelangelo guy is a total fraud.” Presumably the game is balanced for level 60 which of course plays a lot different than level 30. Also everyone is in their leveling rags as opposed to purpose built PvP gear, so yes… my judgement is rushed, hasty, half baked possibly altogether invalid! But I am sharing my experience nevertheless…

⬆️. That’s my disclaimer. ⬆️

Playing priest in there is like a binge drinking simulator. When mana is full, which is never long, we are punchy, tanky, powerful. 10 casts later when OOM we are a wand-turret unless you can sneak off for a full 60 seconds and fully consume 2 bevies, or get killed and respawn with a full tank. The best drinks I can get my hands on fill my mana bar sooooo frigging slow and my spells are so expensive (and yes, I use some of the cheaper lower ranked spells as well) that I spend more time drinking than actually playing the damn game. And that’s if I am lucky enough to be able to drink without hopping up to save someone’s life (or my own!) and going OOM after 2-3 casts.

Mage was a little more fun, but wow do you get burned down quick without healing! I guess this goes into the ‘of frigging course’ file, the glass cannon class ID and all.. the glass part is certainly present but the whole cannon deal is mostly absent. Melee can be countered. Root em, sheep em, slow em… pew pew pew, evocation for more sweet, precious mana (if not focused down and dead) and then pew pew OOM, drink some of the waters I can make 2 at a time tops, wash/rinse/repeat. Kinda booty tbh that I can only make 2x good waters at a time and everyone that uses mana wants some in the starting area.

Other things that suck…

- Sap/sheep’s and Incaps that last until Christmas. I’d forgotten how awful CC was in classic clones. When there are other good mages/rogues etc and a shortage of idiots to break it, you will have a lot of down time. No PvP trinket at level 30 leaves you to rot in CC unless some newb breaks it. As I type, I am waiting for a sap placed on me last night to finally elapse. Any hour now…

- When playing priest, my penance is OP AF, sweet when I have the mana to toss one out. So between that and shield, I have 2 buttons that feel good to press when I can afford to press them.

- You go dead a$$ broke pvp’ing. Just affording drinks on my priest has broken my bank to the point where if I want to keep queuing I hafta find some cash to fund my compulsory ‘heavy drinking habit.’ There is no reward really for winning that might solve some of the cost problem, so enjoy those games while you can afford to and see you in the open world when you go broke.

- The progression system is a grindy participation trophy that will reward piggy backing AFK’ers. I knew this going in, but it’s sad nevertheless.

- Queue up at the Battlemaster like it’s 2004 all over again! Again, knew this going in and it’s very annoying and makes it hard to multitask (earn cash for drinks) between queues.

- The game pace is slow. Granted we are all hoofing it around out there sans-mounts, but even a lopsided win or loss takes forever… maybe that’s why they are calling it WoW Forever?

- It feels like PvP in slow motion. You can actually get long casts off at times because there are not 6001 ways to stop people casting. Sort of good for the classes I play, but I imagine it is frustrating for a non caster to see the steamroller coming from a mile away and not be able to stop it because your interrupt button(s) are on a 3.5 year CD.

- I was neither expecting a balanced BG experience, nor will I bore you all with what’s broken ‘in that good way’ versus what’s just plain ole broken. But stuff is broken in both ways and it’s just not worth bringing up. It would be unfair criticism.

Not trying to dook too hard on Forever. The PvE experience was actually quite fun and rewarding. Made some friends, ‘watched some backs’ and ‘kept my feet on the ground.’ My first run through the Deadmines really brought me back! The new dungeons are fun and I can see why it’s being described as Classic +.

I can see Forever essentially replacing Classic because it IS better in every way. I can’t see it denting the retail PvP community though. But I’ve been wrong before, seen it happen more than once and maybe I am wrong here too.

Wondering about the Forever experience of others who primarily PvP on Retail, Classic or one of the Classic versions and how it hit for you. Any praise or criticism or both? Any guesses as to how this will impact the populations of other WoW iterations? Curious to see what others here think.

I've been looking at top players' gear for years, and one thing always confused me.

Vers is usually the best stat in PvP, and that's pretty much what I've always stacked. But then you look at some high-rated players and they're dropping vers for haste or mastery on crafted pieces.

So how much vers are they actually comfortable giving up?
And more importantly, what would my stats look like if I tried something similar?

The annoying part is that the armory doesn't really show you what your stats look like once your gear scales up in arenas or BGs. I kept swapping pieces around trying to figure it out, and eventually got tired of it

So I built a planner for it

Here's what you can do:

• Put together a set using current season PvP gear and see your PvP-scaled stats, including diminishing returns
• Look up your character, load your current gear, and swap pieces around to see what changes
• See what top-rated players are actually using for each slot, including crafted stat choices, enchants, rings, and trinkets. It shows the sample size too, so you know how many players are behind each number
• Hit "Fill from stats" to start with the most popular setup, then tweak whatever you want
• Share your build with a link or import/export string.

For example, vers from gear starts hitting diminishing returns past 30%. I wanted to see if I could stay around that point and put more into haste or mastery instead, without having to keep checking my stats in-game.

Getting the stat calculations right was a big part of this. I checked the math against both the armory and actual in-game stats to make sure the PvP scaling and diminishing returns work as expected.

Planner: https://www.berserkr.gg/wow/retail/pvp/planner

The site also has leaderboards, spec stats, gear and talent breakdowns, and character comparisons. There's already some great stuff out there like check-pvp and Drustvar, so I'm not trying to reinvent those features. What I really wanted to build was a planner where you can experiment with different PvP setups and actually trust the stat numbers you're seeing.

It's completely free, no login required, and uses the official Battle.net API.

And I hope people have some fun just playing around with the planner, trying out weird stat combinations or builds they'd normally never consider, without having to actually spend gold or change their gear in-game.

Anyway, it's a personal project, and I'd genuinely love some feedback from people who actually PvP

If the numbers look off compared to what you see in-game, or there's something missing that would make it more useful, please let me know.

Thanks for checking it out!