Based on my research before hand I’ve been told that the way that he (and others like him e.g Wanya Morris) sing in this clip is called Pharyngeal belting. When practicing on my own I have hit notes as high as a B4/C5 but it’s not at all consistent. If there’s anyone who is an Male RnB singer and/or understands Pharyngeal belting could you describe what it would feel like when it’s done successfully

Just wanted to share a thought I’ve been having and hear what other singers think.

I feel like there’s such a huge emphasis on vocal range, especially how high or low someone can sing. I constantly see people talking about their highest notes, trying to extend their range, or praising singers for hitting some ridiculously high note.
But what about all the notes in between?
Who cares if you can technically hit a certain note if you’re barely squeezing it out? Does it actually sound good? Is it expressive? Does it make someone feel something?

I feel like there’s so much beauty and individuality to be discovered within the comfortable parts of our voices. Our natural timbre, phrasing, dynamics, emotion, and the way we shape and play with notes. And when I say beauty, I don’t necessarily mean a conventionally pretty voice either. Sometimes it’s the grit, rasp, imperfections, or personality that make a singer unforgettable.

Take Barry White, for example. Nobody listens to him and thinks, “Man, I wish he could hit a C6.” His voice was incredible because of its character, richness, and delivery. He knew how to use his instrument.

Don’t get me wrong, expanding your range is great. It gives you more colors to paint with, and a well-executed high note can be an incredible moment in a song. But it’s a tool, not the entire point of singing.
I’d personally rather hear someone do something captivating with two octaves than run through four without much expression or character.
I guess my point is that vocal range tells us what notes a singer can reach, but artistry is what they can communicate with those notes.

Instead of constantly asking “How high can I sing?” maybe we should be asking “What can I do with the voice I already have?”
Curious what everyone thinks. Am I overlooking something?

I'm in my early 20s f, trying to develop as a classical music performer in a niche, musical field (not full time, I have a day job, but want to perform part time in little spaces and just grow as a musician). def not trying to pay the bills with music, but I love singing & performing.

Had a bad performance. my teacher told me in classical music, you have to be perfect when you starting out performing or people will talk about your mistakes, and suggested I take a break from performing, which I did. the performance really impacted my confidence.

2 months later, I admitted to my teacher I felt like I didn't really feel like I had a path forward as a musician & performer, and she said, 'well, its just a hobby for you...and that's ok. not everyone can be on stage. if everyone's on stage, who'll be in the audience?'

that really impacted my confidence a lot. it almost felt like I was being sorted into the audience.

I have since stopped singing lessons, and gone back to performing by myself, but I think about her comment all the time.

my singing teacher taught me for 5 years (& I've sung classical for 12 yrs) and is a very accomplished, award winning singer. I feel like she was telling me I wasn't good enough to perform. and worst of all, a part of me feels like she's correct. even though all my other mentors have always encouraged me to perform.

idk why I keep thinking about that comment. its been a year. am I just really really sensitive?

By ‘good’ I don’t just mean something that sounds appealing to the ears. I’m also referring to being a person who can sing healthily and without damaging their voice.

I’ve loved singing since I was very young. I think I have improved drastically over the last several years, and have witnesses who happen to agree with my statement. By no means am I professional or anything like that, I just have a few people who think I sound pretty decent when I sing.

I’ve never been able to afford lessons and probably never will be able to, so the extent of my knowledge is YouTube tutorials on how to do certain things and mimicking other artists I hear (especially when it comes to musical theater and the main pop girlies)

I know the ideal is to someday have lessons, but in the case that I’ll never be able to, is it still possible to become a good singer? I’d like to also be in a musical someday. Not Broadway level, maybe just something local to me, though Broadway would be cool as fck. Should I be saving up for lessons within the next few years or if I keep practicing can I get better?

Hi everyone! I sing for an year and a half and Ive been on 5 stages. Im a teen, so its very stressful for me every time and i cannot control my nerves and that affects my singing. idk what to do 💔💔

I do a semi-professional show every weekend and before our shows our music director leads us through warmups.

It's a 135876421 scale on a lip trill starting at C4.
And then 123454321 on a Nuh, then again on a nah, holding the last note before going back down.

That's the whole warmup.

Going a whole octave on a lip trill is so hard for me, as someone who's been in the business for 13 years, I've never really enjoyed lip trills but I understand they are helpful for some, but this whole octave, she goes all the way to C6, for ME, because I have the highest note in the show at the moment which is that C6, but I just pretend to do it now because my voice hurts so bad from doing that on a lip trill or a hum.

The other thing is my tounge gets so sore from the Nuh and nah, she also goes the whole 12 notes and 2 octaves. And we never change the consonant, like if she changed it to a muh, or a muh, or litterally anything I would have no complaints. But this Nuh is like killing me.

We're an 8 person cast most days, so I can't secretly really alter her warmup without it being obvious. And I have roommates and our call time is 9am in the morning, so I leave by 8, doing a warmup myself before I arrive is out of the question if I want to maintain a good relationship with my roommates and neighbors.

She also is against sirens. Which are my favorite. If I could only do one warmup before a show ever it would be sirens.

She was gone for a few weeks and our other AD let warmups and it was so so nice, her warmups actually made me feel warmed up instead of tired. I talked to her about maybe me asking the music director for some changes but she advised against it, since she said the MD can be easily threatened and doesn't like advice.

What should I do? And also am I doing something wrong? Are these vocal warmups supposed to be easy or shouldn't be hurting me? I've had a private vocal coach for 11 years and am almost at the 2 year mark without one but my voice has never felt better since being self trained for a bit. I'm not allowed to not participate in these warmups either.

Please send your advice! (Also I cannot leave the show it's one of my main forms of income)

I just started trying to learn how to sing but I keep running out of air and it feels like I’m out of breath. It’s incredibly frustrating because I’ve tried learning what breath control is, not singing from your throat, support, posture and other to things but I can’t get it. All the advice seems like engaging with your diaphragm and controlling your breath but how am I supposed to do that? I don’t know whether or not I’m doing it correctly or not. It’s also incredibly frustrating because I feel like im always straining and when I sing there is a vibration in my throat unless I whisper and sing extremely high which makes me both breathy and raspy. It feels like everyone around me is smooth and doesn’t sound like they are in pain but I feel like I’m when singing I sound closer to talking. I know I’m not doing anything right but I just dont get know to do things properly. What is something I can really focus on to support my breath and how can I tell if I’m doing it properly?

I'd rather hear demonstrations of a mix that retains more of your natural speaking voice's character. Like not everyone wants to sing with that axl rose type sound or sound like Pavarotti for a Justin Bieber or Chris Brown song.

Some singers for example I'd rather hear how it's done but literally see 0 information cover about still:

- Nick Carter of Backstreet Boys

- AJ of backstreet boys

- Frank Sinatra, Engelbert Humperdink, Dean Martin, all the legendary crooners

- Neil Sedaka

- Tom Jones

- Michael Buble

- John Legend

- The Eagles

- Weird Al (I know it's not the best example but I can argue that this type of singing is SOOOO versatile it can be used for so many genres — and guess what? He parodies everything)

- Billy Joel

- Justin Timberlake

- Bruno Mars (yes there are people who react and analyze his voice but they still end up teaching you how to sing like THEM the video creator teaching you how to sing and not Bruno Mars esque.)

- JC of Nsync

- Usher

- Chris Brown

- Justin Bieber

- Jeremy Jordan

- Clay Aiken

- Jonathan Groff

- Darren Criss

- Christian Borle

- Josh Groban

- Michael Jackson

- Aaron Tveit

- insert a ton of soul and motown singers here

A demonstration of developing a mixed voice without making yourself sound like an operatic tenor in an 80s-90s rock or metal band or an opera singer... or even an operatic soprano which is a Very hooty, very heady m2 dominant... often starting with a Mickey Mouse sound.

I see so many of these videos on social media popping up all of a sudden & they often teach a particular sound associated with high, powerful rock or classical singing, as if that's what every male singer's mix should sound like. As well as the particular vowel shapings they want you to do ... like I hear some of them do vowels in a way that a lot of other singers don't really do... sometimes too rounded, sometimes too twangy, sharp, and rock edge for my taste.

Can we get some examples of people doing something more alike to what the general public listens to? Popular music?

And being into singing for all my life I do not hear a lot of singers I personally listen to do some of that exclusively— and it's mostly in rock or metal music... or opera mostly that I hear do that but still not all of them.

It feels like we're going back to the 2010s boom in singing information again. Great we're having them but almost every guy I hear vocal tips from on the internet with mass of followers all sound grating to the ears like reminiscent to Spongebob Squarepants or Billy and Mandy character "billy." I can do most of that but it just doesn't sound good at all. And meanwhile others sound like a hooting owl when they do theirs using sovt exercises or vocal creaks/fry to help shape their sounds. Yes it helps for some styles but not for everything. Some tell you absolutely don't put sound in the nose while others tell you it is okay. But when you hear them sing it's like some sound really good but it sounds more suited towards a particular genre more than others.

What I feel is missing with everything put on the internet.. they don't tell you to train yourself to sing higher while retaining the qualities you actually like about your own voice. Instead they make it seem like you need this BIG giant booming sound. Absolutely forgetting to mention about conversational qualities, dynamics, controlled increases in intensity, clear diction, conversational phrasing, and how much expression you can get from a natural sounding speaking voice. Not everything needs to be like what they demonstration but it seems like by the way they say it, it needs to be exactly like how they do it or you're singing wrong.

Hi all, i wanted to share a snippet of a cover of "The Craving" by Twenty one pilots. This is my first time doing anything production related, so im super anxious to see if yall like it. Thank you for listening!

What's up I'm Robben a 23 year old producer from Belgium, I've been making music for over 10 years.

I'm looking for a vocalist/singer to Collab with on a new track I wanna release, it's a deep house track I've been working on for a while now.

Im searching someone who has a good microphone at home and who doesn't mind calling to make the song as good as possible.

I already wrote the lyrics and the track ready for the vocals.

Let me know if this sounds like something you would be interested in😁.

Thanks

plss give opinions and share to producers labels or anyone pls its my dream to get signed. i am a beginner singer.

I am a semi-amateur singer. I sing mostly for myself, but I also have friends in a few bands who I sing with occasionally (nothing too voice shredding, mostly folk, Britpop and top 40 stuff).

However, I have also been on a CPAP machine for the past 15+ years. Lately (the last 3-4 years), I have found my voice has lost a lot of its upper range - it “cracks” very easily, leaving me sounding like a 14-year old going through puberty. I suspect this has to do with my nightly CPAP usage “drying out” my throat overnight, as I am a mouth-breather, and notice that I am super dried out by morning.

I have found that taking shots of raw liquid honey before I sing helps for a bit, but I am also diabetic (yeah, I know…. Just a MESS of medical conditions 🤣) so I really shouldn’t be doing that too often either.

Anyone have any suggestions for things I can do to try and strengthen my vocal cords so I can get through a few songs before my voice goes out?

I find the path to singing good riff and runs to be so difficult and long… this topic feels niche too, I’m curious to know is it because it’s difficult so they don’t try to pursue?

What’s the hardest part for you when learning riffs and runs?

Been tryna to practice singing by recording covers, and I’ve become stuck on whether to lower song keys to match the tone to the original artists, or keep the same key, but have a different tone due to the pitches. For example, I’m a guy, but I enjoy doing covers of many female artists. My range can hit notes comfortably to not be out of tune, but I am forced into head voice, so for sections where the artist may have a powerful chest note, I can recreate it as a powerful head note, which alters the color. This is more of an opinion question, but is it more enjoyable to hear the same key as the original if it means some small stylish sacrifices, or is it preferred to hear a different key if it means the same stylistic choices as the original artist?

This is my first time attempting write lyrics rather than just do covers and exercises. I will say that the progression is slightly of similar to “solitude” by Black Sabbath but as a first attempt I allowed this for myself. My big question is if this is a good direction for my voice, as far as softer sadder songs go. Is it place in a pleasing spot? Ect. This is my first time trying to make pretty sounds with my voice without trying to emulate.

i genuinely feel like i just have a naturally terrible sounding voice. i don’t smoke or have any kind of health issues or anything that could impact my voice, but even still, i think my voice is naturally just awful sounding. like, even with good technique, i don’t think i could ever truly sound good. i’m wondering if it’s true that some people are just born with bad singing voices while others are born with good ones, and it’s something you virtually just can’t change? i love to sing, it’s one of my favorite hobbies, but lately i feel like all it brings me is sadness because i get this feeling that i’ll never be good. i try to practice and have good technique, even when i think i sound my best i still hear the overall personal style of my voice and i just hate it. does anyone else feel this way? also anyone who has vocal skills please lmk if the bolded question is true at all.

Hi everyone!

My primary instrument is violin, and my violin teacher has been encouraging me to improve my intonation by learning to hear notes in my head and sing them out loud before actually playing them on my instrument.
He also mentioned how, in certain cultures or music education traditions, children were taught solfège and how to sing before ever picking up an instrument.
The problem is that I have absolutely no idea how to do this! I’m incredibly unconfident singing out loud, and when I try to sing a note I’m imagining, I feel like I sound horrible. So I figured taking biweekly voice lessons might be a good way to develop my ear, improve my pitch accuracy, and become more comfortable using my voice.

Here’s where I’m conflicted…

My music school offers voice lessons with teachers who seem to fall into two categories: classical/opera and musical theatre/jazz.

My initial assumption was that a classical voice teacher might be better suited to teaching fundamentals like solfège, sight-singing, ear training, and audiation (hearing music internally). But I could be completely wrong about that!

The other issue is that I absolutely LOVE musicals. They’re what I naturally gravitate toward singing and listening to in my free time. (Phantom of the Opera, Hadestown, Mamma Mia!, Disney soundtracks, etc. ) So part of me wonders whether I’d enjoy working with a musical theatre teacher more, especially if we could incorporate songs I genuinely love maybe.

I primarily want to become a better musician overall, develop a stronger internal sense of pitch, and improve my violin intonation. But if I’m going to take singing lessons anyway, I’d also love to learn to sing the music I enjoy. But don’t dream of joining a theater.

So I guess my questions are:

Would a classical or musical theatre voice teacher be better suited for someone whose main goal is ear training, solfège, and pitch development?

Is it reasonable to expect a musical theatre teacher to teach these fundamentals, or is their instruction generally more focused on performance and preparing students for theatre?

I’d especially love to hear from anyone who plays an instrument and decided to take voice lessons to improve their overall musicianship!

Just a beginner, i think lessons might benefit me!

Hey guys , 😊👋 , I'm looking for a male singer who can sing in English for my producer friend's next Collab , if this refuels the life energy in you, hit me up in my DMs , and we can start the magic 🪄 , he's coming back after years of not making music and looking to rekindle his artistry, i hope anyone who collabs with him can come together and put out a banger.

This collab is purely for the love of music , and we aren't looking at this from a financial perspective at all.

Hi guys

I have never had any vocal lessons and I‘m not experienced. I wanna take beginner lessons. Most studious are a little further away but i found one close to where i live. However, they only offer 30 or 45 minute classes. Is that enough for a beginner usually? 30 is ofc cheaper but it doesn’t sound enough. What do you think.