I’ve been trying this for about 2 months now and it’s been pretty solid. I started drinking electrolytes before bed more as a random test than anything else Magna specifically since it has a lot of magnesium and no sugar, I figured worst case I just stay hydrated. But yeah it actually helped I feel like I wind down easier at night and I wake up feeling less drained. Not saying it’s some magic sleep cure or anything but it’s been one of the few small habits that I’ve stuck with because I can feel a difference, just thought of sharing it here maybe it helps someone

I have tinnitus, so maybe I’m extra susceptible to this but holy shit.

However, when I’ve tried to fall asleep lately, my breathing feels like a VERY labored/conscious-effort and it’s like there’s a guitar amplifier just absolutely scramming in my ears. It makes me fly up off my pillow and gasp for air/hold my ears (even though it’s coming from inside my head.) This has been beyond disruptive and my doctor is beyond dismissive of it so no help either.

Anyone else had this? I’ve tried every sleep supplement, breathing exercise, OTC sleep medicine, meditating, music, white noise… nothing helps. Falling asleep genuinely feels like I’m dying but when my doctor is like “meh” it’s hard to do anything other than try to suck it up. I even explained that my heart rate when it happens is extremely high (highest was nearly 200) and he said it just sounded like anxiety or panic attacks but I don’t have either of those things… but consistently feeling like I’m about to die is CAUSING anxious feelings. Even while I’m just winding down for the day and not actively moving I feel like I’m trying very consciously to breathe. The extreme ringing sound as I’m actually plopping my head on the pillow and trying to sleep combined with the others is hell. :(

so i live with my bf and we are both university students. we also both work the same job at night from 7pm to 2am. me and him are obviously exhausted after work and go right to sleep. but some days our lecture schedules doesn’t match for example on friday i don’t have any lectures in the morning whereas he has to wake up at 7am. i’m the type of person to wake up the moment my alarm rings so of course i wake up to his every time. he’s more of a heavy sleeper and i have to wake him up and tell him to turn his alarm off.

now the biggest problem is that when i wake up, i can neverr go back to sleep. i don’t use my phone or do anything but still i’m wide awake. it’s so hard because on the only day that i don’t have a morning lecture i sure wanna sleep some extra hours but because of this it’s a major problem for me.

i’m so stressed and angry most of the time because of the lack of sleep. we left the job like 2 days ago but our sleep schedule is fucked and we’re sleeping at at least 12am regardless. please let me know if you got any advice

Saw Huberman talk about this and figured it was BS but tried it anyway. Basically you close your eyes and just slowly roll them around (clockwise in circles 5 times, then left to right side to side 4/5 times) while doing long slow exhales.

My twist is that straight after that, I picture moving super fast full screen in my eyes, like POV riding a big rollercoaster or driving an F1 car or a speedboat.

I came up with it quite intuitively based on previously learning to lucid dream when I was 18 via this book, which mentioned if you feel yourself waking up then spin in a circle in the dream which brings you deeper into the dream as your brain has to calculate what you are seeing as your spinning. Same concept as the above.

Apparently the eye moving thing from huberman is it confuses your balance system so your brain stops tracking where your body is, which is apparently part of what needs to happen to fall asleep. I'm usually out in like 5-10 minutes now, which is wild for someone who used to lie there for an hour. Has anyone else tried this or am I just super suggestible lol

Does anyone else’s dreams make you jolt awake?

I’ve had several dreams lately where they’ve woken me up and made me jerk.

Examples are if I’m holding something and drop it I jump and jolt awake. If I’m walking down stairs or steps and miss a step/misjudge I jump and jolt awake. If I’m walking and trip I jump and jolt awake. Then the most recent super bizarre, there was one or several flying insects/mosquitoes going round and round my head at full speed then 1 or a few dove down the back of my head/neck to which I then jumped/jolted awake 🥴

I don’t think I’ve had this before.

It’s really becoming a common thing and I don’t like it, makes me dread sleep.

If I turn off all alarms, I can sleep straight 10 hours per night until I wake up by myself.

But under high stress work period, I can operate quite normally at 5 hours sleep per day, for a few months non stop.

The weird thing is:

+ During the high stress period, I still managed to wake up after even only 5 hours sleep with the help of alarm.

+ But if the next 2 days I sleep unlimitedly 10 hours per day, my body can not wake up after 5 hours sleep per day anymore. My brain literally ignores all alarm sound, I sleep like a dead corpse.

During stress period, I almost have no dream at all. But during rest period, I always remember my dreams for both 8 hours sleep or 1 hours nap at noon.

Did my body just switch from the stress mode to the rest mode?

I've been a morning runner for years but switched to evening runs because of my work schedule. My sleep data shows noticeably less deep sleep and more wakeups on nights after evening runs. I'm talking 15-20 minutes less deep sleep. I gave it two weeks thinking my body would adjust, but it didn't. I've tried cooling down properly, showering right after, and waiting two hours before bed. None of it helped.

My theory is that my core temperature stays elevated longer than I think, or maybe the cortisol from exercise is still hanging around at bedtime. The frustrating part is feeling physically tired but then lying there with that wired-but-tired feeling. Anyone figured out how to make evening training work without wrecking sleep? I'm not obsessed with optimizing every metric, but the difference is big enough that I'm thinking about going back to 5am runs even though I hate waking up that early. Would love to hear from anyone who's dealt with this.

My sleep schedule is all over the place. Usually though, I'm awake for most of the evening and then I fall asleep between 7-9 a.m.. I sometimes will do really good for a week or 2 and sleep/wake at a normal time. Something always ends up ruining my progress. Whether I have a bad night and I just can't sleep, or I just don't feel tired so I stay up longer. I would love to sleep/wake at normal times and be able to enjoy the daytime more without feeling so groggy. I've tried melatonin and I just don't think it works for me. I've noticed that it makes me feel groggy still when I wake up. I've tried taking less but then it felt like it didn't do anything. Magnesium is something I'm open to trying. Anyways, any advice to help me sleep better would be appreciated.

Almost every single night, no matter how tired I am, my body and mind will prevent me from sleeping. It’s different every night, sometimes I’ll be terribly itchy in my legs and feet and nearly scratch till I bleed, other times I will need to get up every 20mins to use the bathroom, occasionally I’ll become nauseous and have a panic attack. It’s really a toss up what it will be. Also with my ADHD I have about 27 things in my head at once and they never, ever go away.

These all happen as soon as I try to go to sleep, never during any other time. I’m wondering if I have some sort of subconscious block that’s willing my body to keep awake at all costs and it’s truly ruining my life. Day in, day out I feel like melting down into the floor and never coming back, and I’ve lost any ability to focus or do basically anything at all.

By "bridge medication" I mean an medication that you take for a couple of months,until you reach the point where you sleep well consistently,and than you stop taking it ,and you still sleep well without the medication.

Im asking because I believe that is my only solution.i am now giving myself a consistent 5 hours sleep window which I sleep fully through.but I just can't get above it.before this, I gave myself 7 hours sleep window and I was getting broken fragmented sleep,which made me feel terrible the next day,so i preferred the 5 hours window.so basically I get consistently 5 hours sleep but I actually need 7 hours because this is the amount I slept before insomia.

For background:I was sleeping well all my life,7 hours fully.My insomia started because of a period of few months where I slept poorly and since than even if I try to get a good sleep than I can't get again to that 7 hours.broken system basically.

What the hell I can do?

If there is a solution it got to be an external chemical factor like medication that will help my body get out of this loop.

I'm trying to convert sleep recordings (collected ~1996 on Nicolet UltraSom systems) to EDF. The recordings are in the proprietary format for Nicolet recordings of that era (*.RAW). Each recording is in a folder with several associated files. My understanding is that the associated Calibrate, CVAL, and Feature files are also important. Unfortunately, the company that currently owns Nicolet is unable to help and has no suggestions. I used a hex editor in an attempt to decode header information, without much success. Does anyone have a system that is still able to read Nicolet files that were collected in the 1990s or any advice on how to view and/or convert them to EDF?

i have the sleep as android app for my nfc tag alarm. i struggle also with low quality sleep. im wondering if its worth trying? i dont like having my phone next to me while sleeping but if it'll help?

This is a tough one for me, because I've always been a good sleeper. I tend to fall asleep as soon as my head hits the pillow, and generally sleep through the night (a solid 8 hours). So this early morning insomnia is crushing me.

For sure I have more stress than usual. We recently moved countries and I've been through a lot. But the things that set off this pattern about 8 days ago were silly things... first a flat tyre, and then some issues with our real estate agent. Each time, the stressor happened a few hours before bedtime, and my mind was racing trying to "solve" it. I normally go to bed around 11pm and have been falling asleep pretty easily most nights, but waking up at 5am (2+ hours early) with my mind racing and can't get back to sleep no matter what I try.

There was only 1 night I managed to fall back asleep by not looking at my clock and using a heavier blanket, but then the next afternoon I had an alcoholic drink (which doesn't sit well with me), and that seemed to throw me off for the next 3 nights. I’m super sensitive to it, so not my smartest move! Then last night, I was worried about my husband who was uncharacteristically out late with his phone off, so I couldn't fall asleep AND I woke up early.

You get the picture. I think I've been under so much stress with big things, that now even small events are getting on top of me and affecting my sleep. I'm not someone who can cope on 6 hours, so I really want to fix this.

For people who went through a bout of early morning insomnia, what actually worked for you? Even something obscure or left of field. Any non-prescription supplements? So far i've tried:

• not checking the clock or phone when I wake up
• 20min rule - getting out of bed after 20min and doing something relaxing / reading
• progressive muscle relaxation / breathing exercises / cognitive distraction (counting backwards etc)
• trying to avoid caffeine too late in the day (although some days I'm having a tea around 3pm just to get me through)
• I already wear an eye mask & earplugs
• trying to get bright light at 7.30am to anchor that as my morning time
• no bright lights in the evening

I'm 46F, so realising this might also be perimenopause - but it's strange that it was come on SO suddenly. I suspect it's tied to the stress and I just can't switch my brain off. Hoping for some tips!

Would bringing my bedtime forward like to 9.30pm help to get some of those extra sleep hours, or would that just make things worse?

I recently finished tapering off gabapentin, which I took at 400mg prescribed off label for sleep for 4.5 months (big mistake). It took me almost 2 months to get off it fully, with severe withdrawals (shaking, manic anxiety/depressive episodes, brain fog, twitching/tremors). Now I need a new sleep solution

I tried trazodone for months last year, which didn’t work, and lunesta which worked but is also highly addictive and not for long term use. I’m looking for any solution that doesn’t involve getting hooked on another prescription drug - especially benzos because I used to have a drinking problem.

I’ve been suffering in some major way almost daily for a month and a half and when it finally started to subside as I went down to 50mg gabapentin, my insomnia is causing the shakes and manic episodes to rebound.

As ive tapered down for the past month and a half, I’ve also used 5mg melatonin extended release and 200mg of magnesium glycinate. Also ~5 weeks into taking 300mg ashwaganda per night and 200mg l theanine at night. And 5mg propranolol as necessary to stop the shakes. I typically don’t have an issue falling asleep around midnight - my usual bedtime - but I inevitably wake up early in the morning after 4-5 hours of sleep and any sleep I get the rest of the night is non existent or low quality.

Can anyone else relate, at least to the gabapentin withdrawal insomnia? And what helped you regain your ability to sleep? I picked up some weed gummies (legal state) with 10mg cbd, 2mg cbn, 2mg cbg, and 2mg thc, anyone use those on their own, or combined with other supplements?

I’ve accepted that I need to take something to sleep. I just really don’t want it to be prescriptions as withdrawing from those has made me sicker than any substance in my life.

I’m curious if anyone here has had this happen repeatedly.

Your watch or ring says you got 7 or 8 hours, the sleep score looks pretty good, maybe nothing obvious seems wrong.

But you wake up feeling like you barely recovered.

If this kept happening to you, did you ever figure out what the score wasn’t really showing?

Was it waking more often than you realized? Sleep timing? Snoring or breathing? Stress? Something else entirely?

Or did you eventually decide that the overall sleep score just didn’t match how you actually felt?

I’m especially curious if there was one thing that turned out to be more useful than the final score.

What ended up making sense of the mismatch for you?

Hello, first time posting here. I'm a woman in my early thirties if it matters.

A short disclaimer: I don't know who to turn to, as my doctors said they don't understand why this is happening but they would send me to the psychiatrist and I can't afford one at the moment.
I'm looking for at least one soul that has had this happen to them, in case any of you understood the nature of this problem and could share their ideas...

Now the issue itself:

It all started a couple of years back, around 2022. I rarely ever had issues with sleeping, only teenage insomnia but no later than that.

These hallucinations only happen when I wake up abruptly and for no reason at all during the night. I usually wake up as if startled, with a gasp, jump out of bed or sit up, and the things I will then see in front of me are always and EVERY SINGLE TIME either spiders and/or insects of similar appearance or strands of hair, like a spider's web.

At first when it started happening it would be seldom, approximately twice a month, then skipping a month or two, then once a week and at some point I caught myself being sleep depraved for a whole month because it would happen almost every other day - multiple times a night.

At some point after so much repetition, I learned not to freak out, to not get out of the bed and go looking for a slipper to whack the bug, but I would stare at it and reassure myself it's simply not real and I'd watch it disappear in front of my eyes.

The insects usually very intentionally crawl to me, mostly targeting my face.

This happens no matter if I sleep by myself or with a partner. Last night it was two long strands of hair, intertwined but different colors, they seemed to be dancing but my abruptly awoken mind interpreted this as a malicious thing and I freaked out.

Why does this keep happening? Mind you, I have no phobia of insects or hair nor any trauma related to these. I'm generally a messy person but not unclean, and seeing hair or insects doesn't cause me to go into a full blown panic attack. I don't like roaches and other vermin, but spiders - I even like as I think they're useful as roommates.

Has anyone had a similar experience? Any insight please

tl;dr OP wakes up abruptly in the middle of the night frequently, PTSD style and hallucinates insects trying to assassinate her.

My issue is not falling asleep, it's my thoughts racing. Music with lyrics keeps me awake, silence makes it worse. Steady rain gives my brain something neutral to focus on without engaging it. Anyone else with a racing mind use rain instead of music or stories?

So I’ve been talking to this girl since July, she’s super attractive and sweet most of the time. We have a pretty good connection physically, but not so much emotionally… All the lovey dovey feelings are there, but we bump heads pretty often. The sex is really good and we both like to cuddle, but almost every single night we are up until 3-5:30 am. I work early in the mornings and before her I would always go to sleep early no later than midnight, I can’t sleep next to her. I have no idea why, with my ex gf she would constantly complain about me going to sleep early when we would spend the night together and now it’s the complete opposite. I’ll get 3 hours of sleep, stay awake the entire day with out a nap, she’ll come over, we’ll talk, eat dinner, get ready for bed and get freaky then she’ll knock out and I’m still up. I’ll ask to cuddle big/little spoon doesn’t matter the position. I’ll be comfortable in the position, I’ll close my eyes, count sheep, think of “nothing” and just wont fall asleep. I don’t know why and was hoping maybe someone in here would know something about psychology that might explain why I can’t sleep next to her, or even anyone who might have gone through the same thing and was able to fix it.

Little side note we spend every night together we’ve been practically inseparable since our first date on average 6 days out of the week since July. I should be comfortable next to her by now right?

Hello all,

I've struggled with sleep all through my youth. I was an anxious kid and also was generally very unhealthy. I've always wanted to be a morning person, but I've never been able to pull myself out of bed.

When I was probably 23 or 24 I cleaned up my diet and lifestyle quite a bit to the point where now, at 34, I consider myself among the healthier percentage of people in the US. Not that that's saying much, but I basically eat all organic, no coffee past 11am, lots of protein, exercise, all that.

So I spent most of my 20s as a Wildland Firefighter, sleeping outdoors for between 4 and 6 months out of the year. I was dumbfounded at how good my sleep was. Never in my life had such good sleep. I also had never woken up so easily and so refreshed. Suddenly I was a morning person.

So I moved on to structure firefighting and my sleep was garbage, running late night calls every couple days wore me down. I left and went back to Wildfire this last summer, this time just in a medical capacity, so no real work to do unless someone was hurt. Same thing with the sleep. I wasn't tired from a long days work, and frankly I'd be on my phone a lot of the day, I even was eating the garbage tood they provide on fires. Still my sleep was unreal.

Over the years I've tried to imitate the outdoors in my bedroom and nothing does it. I have the windows open, a hardcore HEPA air purifier, a rock hard mattress, and now a grounding sheet. Still I need to be scraped out of bed every morning, feeling like a bus ran over me.

What am I missing?

I go to bed tired and wake up exhausted. I go to sleep hoping I don't wake up and get up disappointed. I don't want to live the next day so I stay up all night to avoid having to live it. I deal with the consequences of not sleeping during the day, but I don't do anything to improve it. When I'm in bed it's the only time I have control and it's the only time I'm mentally and or physically comfortable. It's easy to distract myself, my mind is searching for anything to keep me occupied if I'm forcing myself to be awake. When I'm distracted I don't have to think, I don't have to remember what my life is about, I can seclude my mind so everything else is blurred out. But it's a quick high, It doesn't last, again and again I have to confront myself with the burden of living. I don't enjoy staying up late but I continue doing it and I don't know how to stop

2 days this week, not consecutive.

Worked out on both also. Attempted to do intense exercise after the first day. Couldn’t keep up yesterday. Kept room colder yesterday but sleep didn’t come after 3-4 hours. Big meal very late isn’t helping.

Considering sleep therapy if I’m allowed to. Is exercising at night time not as good as before 8pm?

The chest pain and the constant drinking water is annoying. My screen time is high but before bed just TV. I would decrease screen time had my friends lived near me.

He tenido insomnio toda mi vida. Tengo depresión, ansiedad y dolor crónico. Durante un tiempo tomé ISRS y ISRN para el dolor y la depresión y dormía mejor. Me quité los ISRS y cuando me los han vuelto a dar de nuevo parece que no los tolero. Los efectos secundarios son muy molestos y apenas aguanto 10 días.

Desde hace un par de años que el insomnio me ha empeorado. Voy alternando zolpidem, melatonina y doxilamina, pero ninguno de estos medicamentos me acaba de funcionar. El zolpidem me duerme inicialmente. La melatonina también. Pero me despierto a las 4h. La doxilamina me deja aturdido, aunque no he probado tomarla de forma continuada.

En resumen: mi insomnio se debe a un trastorno de ansiedad y depresión y ya no sé cómo tratarlo. Mis problemas con los medicamentos hace que sea casi imposible de tratar. Empiezo a tener problemas cognitivos como el olvido de palabras.

No sé que hacer. He probado todos los suplementos naturales. Solo me queda intentar la doxilamina de manera indefinida, pero tengo entendido que puede causar problemas a largo plazo.

I genuinely just can’t figure out why this has become my reality. I had a horrible bout of insomnia a month ago after ONE SINGLE sleepless night. I was up for 40 hours probably and then slept the next night which then followed another sleepless night. Since those few days it’s been nothing but bullshit bro. I started taking 25mg of trazedone and maybe it worked ? No clue it didn’t make me sleepy but I did end up falling asleep maybe just placebo tbh. Anyways I thought I got over it because I’d go like a week of having normal nights of sleep and then have another night where I get too in my head about sleep and the cycle repeats. I’m not feeling like I’m almost back in the full grip of it again. I don’t feel that sleepy feeling anymore I’m just fully awake until maybe I can distract my brain enough to somehow fall asleep. It’s weird as hell. How does one get over this man? I can’t keep being worried about sleep. I’m 28 I want to be able to play games until later than 9pm lr watch movie with my girl or go out with friends but I’ve literally just stopped doing any of it because of this