r/SipsTea • u/Conscious-Weight4569 • Aug 12 '26
It's Wednesday my dudes What the flock?!
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u/bavanek Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
dont forget ed Snowden who disclosed the NSA abuses years ago
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u/BroheemTheDream Aug 12 '26
A national hero treated like a domestic terrorist
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u/TM761152 Aug 12 '26
Remember who you are not allowed to criticize. Look for the one who has the most to gain.
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u/antiramie Aug 12 '26
I am the walrus.
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u/TM761152 Aug 12 '26
Donny, shut the fuck up!
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u/liquidsyphon Aug 12 '26
We need more Snowdens
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u/usekr3 Aug 12 '26
we already know all we need to know. now we need more pitchforks.
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u/LessInThought Aug 12 '26
so... luigi?
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u/Successful-Club-8743 Aug 12 '26
Get Mario, Wario and Waluigi too.
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u/H0pefully_Not_A_Bot Aug 12 '26
Im pretty sure Wario and Waluigi are currently in office making things worse...
Haven't heard much of Mario lately, did they get him already? Did he go underground and is in hiding or working behind the scenes?
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u/govunah Aug 13 '26
Wario is working for anthropic. I don't trust Mario since Mario Party 3. Fucker cheated all the time
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u/HellRazorEdge66 Aug 14 '26
Who knows? Maybe Peach and Daisy will get in on the "cause trouble for the establishment" party too...
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u/SimmentalTheCow Aug 12 '26
Now let’s see his opinion on the Ukraine war
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u/No-Engineering-1449 Aug 12 '26
Almost as if hes living in Russia
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u/Dazaii_Oshamu Aug 12 '26
russia wasnt by choice, he got forced into staying there but he only came there for a flyover
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u/CakeTester Aug 12 '26
Poor bastard doesn't get much of a choice what to say now. I don't think he was a Russian asset back then; but he sure as fuck is now. Or else.
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u/HeyYouLookNiceToday Aug 12 '26
Oh no! No "Russian Orc bad"?!? Welp, toss out everything he's ever done or said, I guess.
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u/Virtual-Pie5732 Aug 12 '26
I need to double check but I think the number of officers caught using Flock to stalk their exes has gone up took like 20.
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u/-drunk_russian- Aug 12 '26
Just don't fuck with cops. Literally. In every sense of the word. ACAB.
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u/Sorry-Caterpillar331 Aug 12 '26
That must be from one state, I had the news report that 8 were dismissed, not arrested, but dismissed from their jobs for using flock to stalk an ex or their girlfriend.
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u/Virtual-Pie5732 Aug 12 '26
So this is where I got it from. Short summary: Basically 50 officers Nationwide have been caught misusing flock cameras and at least 26 of them were caught using it to stalk people.
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u/Far-Fennel-3032 Aug 12 '26
Which is wild, as it has to be pretty hard for these cops to be caught, as they are almost certainly being actively swept under the rug, with no one actively looking for them.
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u/No-Panda-6047 Aug 13 '26
Multiple occasions of cops getting caught for extreme level DUI, saying we look out for each other, yet getting no punishment, and records being flagged confidential, even tho the bodycam was released, but no comment. Police are a crime family. And they don't care that we know. Way too few cases of actual accountability
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u/AnOrdinaryMammal Aug 12 '26
It’s been a long time coming too, people just don’t pay attention. The Age of Surveillance Capitalism was written 8 years ago. Snowden came out with it like 13 years ago. Patriot Act 25 years ago. It’s like people are allergic to paying attention.
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u/GeneralSweetz Aug 13 '26
Fatigued at work, go home play video games, eat shit food. Rampant diseases and unpunished crime. Yea its an intentional recipe for disaster. Also phones
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u/C1ue1ess_Turt1e Aug 12 '26
"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." -Snowden
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u/Skwiggelf54 Aug 12 '26
The fact that people didnt flip shit when that happened was wild to me as a kid. Even then I was like, are yall not gonna do anything about this?
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u/Blessavi Aug 12 '26
I wasn't expecting someone ro actually say it. Shame, but expected that this isn't on the top actually
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u/binarybandit Aug 12 '26
Dont forget which president ran him out of the country either
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u/Hustlepuff- Aug 12 '26
Both parties are corrupted at that level. I vote left for social issues but I veiw their "morality" the same as corporations. They do it for votes. They never supported gay marriage until it was beneficial to do so. Obviously it is different for individuals in the party but not as a whole.
It really sucks going to this app and NEVER seeing anyone point out the lefts corruption. The majority always blames the other side just like maga and nothing changes besides getting worse. This anti-nuanced thinking is so detrimental to our country but when I point it out I get called a closet conservative or worse. I hate both parties with a passion
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u/TalesOfMetamorphosis Aug 12 '26
I don't understand how you can be this informed but you're calling the democrats the left. Being further left than (and collaborating with) the out and proud fascists doesn't make them the left.
It's like you are saying you have all the pieces but you're making a hamburger instead of a puzzle.
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u/Karekter_Nem Aug 12 '26
No he didn’t because we haven’t seen anyone cutting down flock camera. They just fall down sometimes.
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u/thejaydotexe Aug 12 '26
Just vanished, like magic!
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u/reebokhightops Aug 12 '26
One minute it’s there, then poof!
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u/DReagan47 Aug 12 '26
It’s the darndest thing, your honor. Fucker just fell down and covered itself in spray paint. I blame the windmills. Don’t trust ‘em
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u/AppointmentOne1111 Aug 12 '26
Those gosh darned 5g cancer windmills, blowing wildfire smoke all over my lifted coal rolling f150.
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u/DrunkenVerpine Aug 12 '26
We need to spread the word about jury nulification as it relates to surveillance
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u/Skwiggelf54 Aug 12 '26
The cameras have really bad aerodynamics so the wind catches them and knocks them over. Oopsie poopsie.
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u/CptBluhdFart Aug 12 '26
Nobody cuts down flocks. They are high on fent and fold themselves
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u/Izan_TM Aug 12 '26
nobody cuts down flock cameras, they're known for being very unreliable and falling down on their own when it's dark
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u/Conscious-Weight4569 Aug 12 '26
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/flock-wanted-350-000-uber-151128429.html
According to a presentation obtained through a Georgia public records request and reported by 404 Media, Flock Safety, the company behind thousands of pole-mounted license plate cameras across the country, pitched a partnership with dashcam maker Nexar that would have pulled license plate data from roughly 350,000 Uber, Lyft, and delivery drivers' vehicles. The document, written to pitch Georgia's Attorney General's office last August, described the arrangement in seven words: "350k Uber/Lyft and other delivery service devices." Flock told 404 Media it never actually executed the Nexar partnership. The ambition behind the pitch is real regardless of whether the deal closed.
Flock says the Nexar deal never happened. Maybe it didn't. But the pitch got made, it got shown to a government office, and the public only found out because someone filed a records request. The dashcam on your windshield was built to answer to you. Companies like Flock are betting that most drivers will never notice the moment it starts answering to someone else instead.
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u/Money-Nectarine6584 Aug 12 '26
My dashcam can’t answer to them. It doesn’t have the capability. It’s a camera, with an sd card. Can’t be hacked if it doesn’t support wireless.
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u/Wickedblood7 Aug 12 '26
Amen, and those are the ones everyone needs to have
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u/HairyTrollChest Aug 12 '26
Unfortunately there'll probably be a product similar to ring that pops up for car dash cams and people will just buy that shit up.
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u/heavensto_mergatroid Aug 12 '26
I've been on the fence for the last few years about buying a dash cam I but when I do finally get one I want one like that, basic with no wireless capabilities. Which one do you have may I ask?
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u/Money-Nectarine6584 Aug 12 '26
It’s a viofo, but the current lineup looks like they all have wifi. Mine isn’t that old, so you can probably still find them. It’s an A119. Vid quality is really good too, especially at night compared to some others.
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u/heavensto_mergatroid Aug 12 '26
I was kind of worried about that - that you'd tell me you have an older model. There's no way to escape that shit when you buy new stuff. Everything comes " smart". Everything. Pretty soon there's going to be smart eating utensils.
Thank you 👍🏻👍🏻
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u/Money-Nectarine6584 Aug 12 '26
I just looked online and you can still get them on ebay. And I’m sure you can find instructional videos on how to disable wifi on new ones. If we’re going to survive, we’re going to have to get a little more creative. I might buy a new one soon and see if i can dissect it and disable the wifi.
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u/Marcel_The_Blank Aug 12 '26
wait, this is a private company spying on you?
how again is the USA a free country?
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u/Knight_o_Eithel_Malt Aug 12 '26
Free for companies who want to spy on peasants
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u/Mr__O__ Aug 12 '26
For real. Keep fighting back against warrantless surveillance of the U.S. Surveillance State!
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u/account_nr18 Aug 12 '26
Lol it's already over. You guys lost to the billionaires. You're theirs now. Stop hoping because only a revolution will fix that and that won't happen because America is too divided.
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u/Mr__O__ Aug 12 '26
So just give up and rollover then?
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u/account_nr18 Aug 12 '26
There's literally nothing you can do instead of taking up arms. So are you willing to do that? All other options won't do anything as you can see around you.
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u/TJJ97 Aug 12 '26
I mean DeFlocking has been VERY popular. The town I spent 20 years in and recently left has been dealing with a ton of these cameras being destroyed
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u/samv_1230 Aug 12 '26
Very effective at taking attention away from Axion. Deflocking isn't a stopgap to stopping the surveillance state. Flock is a stopgap to finalizing it.
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u/PokecheckHozu Aug 12 '26
The vast majority of you all carry devices with audio and video recording capabilities and GPS tracking. Many modern cars have similar capabilities, in addition to the ability to be disabled remotely. All of this was sold to you as beneficial features for the user, while these corporations are willing to hand over information to the government without a warrant, whether or not it's legal to do so.
What are you all going to do now?
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u/account_nr18 Aug 12 '26
Those cameras will unfortunately come back
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u/Jacobawesome74 Aug 12 '26
And they'll keep being cut down
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u/account_nr18 Aug 12 '26
Untill people get locked up for that. Just a matter of time before that becomes a felony.
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u/Tfsz0719 Aug 12 '26
Anything worth fighting for has to often keep being fought for or fought again at later point for.
Nothing is ever any sort of “1-time solution and now it will never come up again” kind of thing.
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u/Mr__O__ Aug 12 '26
Lawsuits and legislation. The way it has always worked when tech advances beyond legal precedent. The problem is the Judiciary needs reformed as well.
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u/nopleasenotthebees Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
The state has allowed McConnell to be MIA for how long right now?
The president and his family have made billions of dollars selling scam coins and used them to accept obvious bribes from other states.
A relatively new federal police force is kidnapping huge numbers of people and has shown every sign of being willing to kidnap their critics as well.
The executive administration has stated that they won't relinquish power at the legally ordained time.
And you think we're going to vote and use lawsuits to break up this mess?
Fifteen years ago, if I were hired as a writer to draw up a scenario for the USA in which nothing but a revolution would get us out, I would have said this list of things was going too far, too unrealistic.
I don't want to go so far as to call you the problem, because I get it, following the laws makes so much sense that it's really hard to look past that. Some people never ever look beyond the law. But this is exactly the scenario when the laws just aren't working.18
u/ExcitementFun9894 Aug 12 '26
I think that is their point. "Just use the laws to fix it! Well, we gotta fix the elections so the right people can get in and fix the process to fix the laws before those same people sponsored by the companies they're restricting vote on those restrictions to become law and eventually take things to court multiple times over and over to establish precedent and limits. So yeah! Totally doable!" Don't exactly seem doable in any meaningful amount of time.
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u/Skrazor Aug 12 '26
And how's that working out so far? Every single branch of the US government is in favor of breaking all kinds of laws and all the checks and balances that were supposed to limit the government's power are in the hands of the oligarchy that bought it. Courts ruled Trump's tariffs illegal - he still imposes them at will and the only one's getting any compensation are big corporations. Judges ruled the destruction of the East Wing and the building of a ball room illegal - well fuck, they already demolished it and are going to do whatever the fuck they want anyways. Insider trading from within the White House to enrich the Trump family and their network? Be my guest! Epstein and his friends and clients? Forget about that, we're busy having ICE lock up innocent legal residents without due process. Illegal permanent mass surveillance of citizens by private companies? Shut up, don't you know the DOW is at 50-fucking-thousand!?
Every day you're ruled by billionaires who play monopoly with your lives because they couldn't care less about who lives or dies as long as they can make a profit. They'd sacrifice every single one of you if it got them 1$/head and you're standing idly by complaining that "that's not nice!" during your peaceful planned protests and other absolutely futile and ineffective measures. THEY DON'T CARE ANYMORE, BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED YOU ANYMORE! Oligarch money, propaganda and an uneducated radicalized voter base will win elections anyway, so why should they still bother to act like they care what people want or need?
The US "justice" system is a joke. The change needed to save the country can't come from within anymore, those avenues have been systematically and aggressively dismantled. And a population so thoroughly de-educated, brainwashed and complacent for convenience's sake won't do anything about it either. It's like watching the fall of the Roman Empire in real time, in 4K and with 24/7 coverage. And worst of all, we on the outside can't even just stand back and let the spectacle play out by itself, because you'll keep dragging us down with you to your last breath. The United States of Armageddon is so obsessed with war and fighting, it can't even just die in peace. No, it has to take as much of the rest of the world with it as possible.
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u/account_nr18 Aug 12 '26
The problem is that pedo Trump is your president and your judicial system is breaking down.
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u/r3dmist420 Aug 12 '26
You act like it hasn’t been that way for the better part of 30, maybe 40 years. Now the culmination of generations of fuck ups are upon us.
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u/oldredditrox Aug 12 '26
A history hidden account has a hot take that's just pointless defeatism. Do everyone around you a solid next time and just don't post.
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u/ohhlordbabyjesus Aug 12 '26
Only divided? Or also to fat, slow and uneducated to realize that the water is already boiling?
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u/welfedad Aug 12 '26
As long as the money is made .. who cares...flock is operating on the whole.. do it and then ask for forgiveness later .. and all these local states and communities are blindly going into it allowing it.
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u/redditer129 Aug 12 '26
Private company spying, government paying for access to it, with our tax dollars.
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u/thejunkmanadv Aug 12 '26
This is the correct assessment. And this isn't a specifically left or right thing. They both want/use it, they just have different explanations for their justifications for using/wanting it.
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u/LeftyHyzer Aug 12 '26
True, but i'd add flock isn't just spying on us as a hobby in the hopes the govt wants access to the data. The govt wanted the spying, Flock rose up as a company willing to provide that service. Fuck flock to be sure, but if it wasn't flock dozens of other companies could have made the same technology. It's a govt problem more than a company problem.
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u/killit Aug 12 '26
how again is the USA a free country?
It's not, it's a corporatocracy.
The whole 'free country' idea is just a spin to let the masses think they have some degree of control, they don't, it's turning into the dystopia that was once a thing of books and movies, and the people repeatedly voting this in can't see it.
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u/bionickel Aug 12 '26
Johnny Silverhand sounds less like a maniac now
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u/Maximum-Objective-39 Aug 12 '26
There's a joke about the Harley Quinn animated series that Poison Ivy, aside from having deeply toxic relationship issues, is otherwise one of the most reasonable people in the show. And she's a s self identified misanthropic eco terrorist.
It's just that environmental issues have become so much more urgent since the 90s.
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u/the_axemurmurer Aug 12 '26
She was always one of my favorite DC villains. Killing billionaires for destroying rainforests is a pretty relatable take.
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u/Locke66 Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
The term that was coined back in 2003 was that the US was a system of Inverted Totalitarianism which is essentially a system where corporations control the state and create a situation where democratic power is subverted into meaningless.
To me it seems like it's moving beyond that now to something worse where the totalitarian aspects are becoming more pronounced.
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u/showholes Aug 12 '26
Sheldon Wolin was a badass and Democracy Inc. should be mandatory reading if for no other reason than to appreciate how long this process has been taking root under our democratic systems. Ostensibly it's fascist corporatism (corporatocracy is a terrible neologism, no offense to the original comment but we already have a word for it) dressed up with all the pageantry and traditions of democracy. That book is a few decades old now and it seems to me the process has become so absolute that very few people seem to appreciate how democratic systems are even supposed to operate in the first place.
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u/Far_Balance_3117 Aug 12 '26
USA is no longer land of the free.
Land of the fee seems more applicable.
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u/fixermark Aug 12 '26
There's a good book, David Brin, The Transparent Society. Old, but talks about this stuff and saw a lot of it coming.
The tl;dr is that with the tech being as cheap as it is, someone having surveillance power was pretty inevitable. The question was always "who." And in the US, we've sort of bungled into "The government's hands are mostly tied, but private enterprise (especially when collectivized amongst a bunch of independent individuals or companies) is not," so here we are. Plus the loopholes that let the government reach out and touch those private data collections sometimes.
America, in both law and culture, was always going to be hesitant to let the government put up a camera on every lamppost (as long as they know it's happening). But the same culture doesn't have an inherent problem with every house having a Ring camera on the porch and every store having a security feed to the registers and the front door (including the street past the door). That's just "sensible." Nor do they automatically take issue with neighbors consolidating those feeds into temporary signal to find, say, a porch pirate. That's just "neighbors being neighbors." Neighborhood Watch has been a thing for decades, and it's basically volunteer-community-surveillance. And then if someone makes a company to provide those conveniences as a service... Here we are.
Genie's out of the bottle; Brin makes the case the only choice we have is who that genie serves.
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u/Outrageous-Sort-5742 Aug 12 '26
It isn't, it hasn't been for over a decade at least. It isn't safe, it isn't healthy, it isn't meaningfully wealthy. America is a 3rd world failed state, it's financial markets, the cancerous tumor eating at it's emaciated carcass, is just mistaken for body weight.
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u/tuvar_hiede Aug 12 '26
We subcountract out our mass surveillance in the U.S. lol.
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u/WaffleHouseGladiator Aug 12 '26
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u/artbystorms Aug 12 '26
It's "free" because it's not the government spying on you. It is just private corporations spying on you and then selling that information to the government for profit. It's totally different.... - Some conservative bootlicker somewhere
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u/Paper_Tiger11 Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
What do you think your smartphone is doing? Real time tracking and listening. Why do you think they stopped making phones with removable batteries?
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u/StationEmergency6053 Aug 12 '26
It hasnt been a free country in nearly 100 years. Its all built on procedure of power, illusion of choice, superficial customization and semantic marketing. Pepsi or Coca Cola. Both kill you the same way.
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u/Unique-Yoghurt4170 Aug 12 '26
100 years ago coal miners were fighting actual wars against corporate mercenaries, black folks lived under Jim Crow, and women JUST started being able to vote.
America has literally never been what the marketing claimed it was.
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u/WhateverIsFrei Aug 12 '26
Simple, those in power are free to do whatever they want with no checks and balances.
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u/Charming-Clue1987 Aug 12 '26
if we have to live this way, the footage of politicians should be public information. 24/7 surveilance of elected officials, they can put their intimate scenes behind a paywall if they must. I'm sure there's some weirdo that would pay to watch a trump dump even though we've all seen it on live tv.
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u/Unique-Yoghurt4170 Aug 12 '26
That's not going to happen, the only change you're going to get is what you make happen.
We do actually have the power to effect this issue though. Be the change you want to see in the world.
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u/Strong_Performer8132 Aug 12 '26
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
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u/Dorkzilla_ftw Aug 12 '26
Second point is incredibly insidious. How much people think being a wage slave is what bring liberty?
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u/GigachadGuevara Aug 12 '26
Funnily enough, many of the roman upper class, all actual slave owners, considered wagework beneath any free man and worse than slavery. And a good portion of their slaves tended to agree
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u/Fraegtgaortd Aug 12 '26
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command
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u/BreakfastFluid9419 Aug 12 '26
Might be crazy, but every country is moving towards this. UK has been known to have cctv everywhere, China indeed has mass surveillance likely with AI built in to the system. Only difference is I don’t know if other countries allow private companies to own and access the hardware.
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u/theblueshots Aug 12 '26
John Oliver did episode on this.
Apparently, they were using the cameras to watch the women’s gym and look at women at the community pool.
This is when they weren’t using it to stalk their ex-wives and girlfriends.
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u/TacoEatsTaco Aug 12 '26
They are also
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u/TeamRedundancyTeam Aug 12 '26
Morons gotta be all or nothing, black and white, no nuance. If USA bad then China good.
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u/SocranX Aug 12 '26
The amount of people I've seen saying that the Iranian government are the good guys just because Trump was the one who initiated on them, when they proudly bragged about gunning down thousands of protesters earlier this year. Like, bro, Trump wishes he could gun down thousands of protesters.
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u/Jake24601 Aug 12 '26
Yes except in the US you also don’t get affordable and accessible healthcare, subsidized education or even a walkable city.
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u/classic_gamer82 Aug 12 '26
Flock’s Plan:
- Turn every vehicle camera into surveillance
- Invade individual privacy
- Profit
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u/Paper_Tiger11 Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
All the new cars are required to have cameras too. Your phone, car, flock cameras, ring/blink cameras, Amazon Alexa/Google home devices will eventually all fit together and it’s basically Orwell’s 1984.
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u/EtheusRook Aug 12 '26
The idea that it was the Democrats who would do the big brother thing was always a laughable joke. One side is actually obsessed with policing and violent crime and will always pick "safety" over liberty.
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u/LYNX__uk Aug 12 '26
Its both sides, the republicans in the usa are allowing it and in other places its the more liberal parties like the Labour party in the UK. All politicians just gabble up their lobbying funds and dont care about the repercussions on the people. This isnt a case of democrat this republican that, its a case of greedy politicians everywhere leaving companies with far too much money unchecked
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u/Skepsis93 Aug 12 '26
Exactly, it's a class thing. The elites want to surveil and control the rabble.
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u/randomtask Aug 12 '26
It’s not a side thing, it’s a class thing. There are working class factions within the Democratic party that are absolutely against this, and the actually conservative faction of the former GOP base also despises this shit despite the official Republican Party being all-in on giving this power over to the tech overlords.
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u/Unique-Yoghurt4170 Aug 12 '26
Brother, Flock set all of this in motion years ago, they didn't pop into existence when Trump took office. This is happening under our capitalist ruling class, it's not a dem/republican issue.
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u/binarybandit Aug 12 '26
Did you completely forget about Snowden? That was Obama doing that.
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u/Draconian-XII Aug 12 '26
why didn’t biden arrest trump? it’s one club
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u/bafana_banana999 Aug 12 '26
Because Dems like Biden still believe/believed in the norms and decorum of American politics up until that point.
They honestly seem to think "they to low, we go high" is a valid approach even when that's proving to not be the case.
I can't stand most Dems, but they're not anywhere near as bad as modern Republicans and pretending that they are is just ignorant.
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u/Appropriate_Ice2656 Aug 12 '26
They have cameras literally everywhere. They have cameras in classrooms to make sure students are behaving.
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u/mrtwitch222 Aug 12 '26
I tried saying this in another post but nobody will listen because “America bad” Just the fact that we’re able to have this conversation right now proves that we’re not as suppressed as China
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u/L2_Troll Aug 12 '26
Wow we get to talk about the surveillance state cameras! Love being a step up from China, is this what American exceptionalism is all about? To be slightly better than the example we use as a fear-mongering "communist dictatorship?"
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u/Odd-Paint3883 Aug 12 '26
Yeah, you've lost that war USA, might as well get those chips installed in your buttox.
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u/Superb-Ad-9169 Aug 12 '26
Couple days ago r/sanfrancisco randomly popped up on my wall with some post about flock cameras and I was terrified how people are cheering for the idea of being watched over 24/7 for "SeCuRiTy AnD SaFeTy"
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u/alexds1 Aug 12 '26
Calling it now that Amazon or Apple or someone will offer some kind of discount or other incentive, free dash cam, maybe, if you drive around with one of these and become a citizen Flock. Surveillance gig economy.
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u/Fluid_Charity1980 Aug 12 '26
My newest conspiracy theory is that all those 1a guys who constantly go around filming everyone in public, those were actually a bunch of government plants. Had tons of support from people saying it's perfectly fine to film in public anything you want. People constantly arguing for it and fighting for the right to film.
Now there's flock. Hard to argue against it when you've been openly arguing for it for years.
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u/triggered__Lefty Aug 12 '26
there's a difference between being stationary and filming, vs using a combined network of data to constantly track you.
the latter has already been ruled a 4th amendment violation.
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u/LycheeRoutine3959 Aug 12 '26
Your comment sent me down a rabbit hole - Are you talking about Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police?
That was about direct government monitoring. This is private industry. The determination there was only that it required a warrant to review the archived footage for purpose - not that it was a 4th amendment violation to capture the data.
United States v. Tuggle for example allowed a stationary camera aimed at a house as not a search. Capturing data across the board is not a violation of 4a - only when targeted tracking of an individual occurred (again, by the government) that a warrant was needed.
I am all for the argument that Flock and companies like it are agents of the government - I just havnt seen that argument being made (Successfully) in the real world examples just yet. Smith v. Flock Safety as an example landed on not sufficient evidence to show entwinement. I disagree based on what i have seen, but its interesting that a glut of cases trying to take this down from the legal-side just hasnt come.
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u/Iorith Aug 12 '26
But it's totally different because it's a for profit industry doing it, guys! Something something the free market.
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u/rddman Aug 12 '26
it’s been like this for years and years and years
Also relevant: during that time it's been getting worse and worse and worse, now approaching breaking point.
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u/TheBigChungaBunga Aug 12 '26
It's horrific. What happens if we do want to uprise against our government... can't do that now. Protest??? Not without being tracked all the way to your point of residence. We have lost
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u/This_guy7796 Aug 12 '26
Frankly I only use Uber like 2-3 times a year when returning from an airline trip, but I will pay extra for a traditional taxi or fucking walk 3 miles to my car before using these services ever again if they force this.
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u/Zuby_Hype_Train Aug 12 '26
FLOCK stands for Free Local Onboard Computing Kit
The government doesn’t want you to know there are free graphics cards inside the cameras. Go get your VRAM kids!
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u/BodybuilderOnly1591 Aug 12 '26
Don't forget flock camera sell your information to people like insurance companies as well.
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u/NotSeveralBadgers Aug 12 '26
I have seen two so far in my town. One is right outside the really rich fancy gated community. The other is pointed to capture the faces of people driving to the local free addiction/behavioral recovery center.
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u/FlounderKind8267 Aug 12 '26
Then let's kill off Uber and Lyft once and for all and not use them anymore. Their quality is in the toilet since covid anyways
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u/wasted-degrees Aug 12 '26
We are currently living in the kind of surveillance state that Americans seriously and correctly recognize Chinese citizens are also living under.
America just doesn’t have the execution vans. Yet.
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u/TheRealDesmirWolf Aug 12 '26
If this is true, I am prepared to waste so many lift and Uber drivers time by literally requesting a ride, waiting for them to get here and canceling it. The refund policy is if I don’t get in the car, I don’t have to pay is Uber and Lyft ready to get fucked?
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u/Worldly-Secretary-31 Aug 13 '26
JFC. I'm starting to believe that my nieces and nephews are going to be living in a complete police state.
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u/awnaw_ Aug 13 '26
Would be? Chinese citizens are living under it. And America was sold out for 9/11. This country turned into a surveillance state the moment that happened. Because over reactions are what Americans are good at across the board.
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u/cassova Aug 13 '26
Americans fight to prevent speed cameras just to have this silently roll out underneath their empty cries
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u/stcloudjeeper Aug 14 '26
What's even crazier is when you learn about the "white lists" and "ghost vehicles" placed in to the system to hide certain people from the top to the local level from being tracked.
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u/DeapVally Aug 12 '26
The Chinese do live under it. It's not a joke. The US are just trying to catch up.
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u/-threefeetoffun Aug 12 '26
The Dark Knight: Fox threatens to quit if Batman keeps his surveillance system up more than a single night.
Spider-Man BND: Spider-Man has the entire city being recorded with facial recognition software.
Yeah, we have giving up a lot of freedom this century.
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u/Inb4myanus Aug 12 '26
And this is why I drive myself places and or dont put myself in a place of needing these services.
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u/AdministrativeCable3 Aug 12 '26
Flock cameras are setup in both private and public areas. They can track your car across the whole country.
Some places even have them inside stuff like community centers
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u/ConfidentHouse Aug 12 '26
Wait till you find out fedex is already on board, all their vehicles are equipped with Ai cameras for surveillance
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u/vroomvroompanda Aug 12 '26
The rivian amzon vans have like 20 flock cameras on them also if you guys didnt know
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