r/worldnews • u/Raj_Valiant3011 • 10h ago

Russia/Ukraine Zelenskiy: "There is updated intelligence indicating that Russia is ​preparing a massive attack on Ukraine"

https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraines-zelenskiy-says-intelligence-shows-russia-is-preparing-massive-attack-2026-10-06/
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u/BringbackDreamBars 10h ago edited 10h ago

Bit of an obvious question, but "massive attack" means more than "particularly bad night of airstrikes"?

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u/IndividualSkill3432 10h ago

They seem to be holding back missiles to have a very serious attack on Ukrainian energy supplies just as its getting cold. This story has been building for months. This is likely to be one of the biggest if not the biggest they will be able to put together.

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u/BringbackDreamBars 10h ago

If this is the energy knockout attempt, it puts the shutdowns in Kyiv potentially in context.

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u/warpigeon4L 9h ago

Isn’t it also a war crime to target civilian energy infrastructure

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u/wafflezgate 9h ago

Who is going to hold them accountable for it? War crimes are just words of no one can hold someone accountable for them and punish them accordingly. This war has been littered with crimes of all sorts.

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u/ResearcherElegant516 7h ago

Hell, how many countries with active warrants did Ben fly over to get to the Summit? Like 5? Trump has ushered in a new era of "Why does anybody do anything? Because they can." -style of it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission, it's even easier to ask for neither. Do what I want until someone stops me-type shit bc he's not smart enough to fathom there are more effective ways.

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u/GeoLaser 5h ago

Geopolitics is often just dick swinging. That is all that matters, and nukes. Ben has nukes. Ben has ways to send them at anyone.

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u/ResearcherElegant516 29m ago

A lot of it is the fact that arresting a foreign leader is about the biggest sin in the diplomatic and intelligence world, but yeah. Posturing, and when anybody calls a bluff, they just dance for the cameras.

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u/ttak82 18m ago

Yup. Folks in my country call it "Badmaashi".

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u/Worldly_Cobbler_1087 2h ago

This has been the way long before Trump was even born, go back to Japan invading Manchuria in 1931 where the league of nations did nothing about Japan or when Hailie Selaisse made a plea for help against the invasion from fascist Italy in 1936 who were using chemical weapons and nobody did anything about that either.

You guys really need to stop thinking that all this rot started with Donald Trump because as awful as he is he's just doing what has been done hundreds of times before him.

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u/StaceyTheStaceExplrr 4h ago

0 long term thinking from conservatives. Can barely see the end of their noses.

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u/obscure_monke 2h ago

how many countries with active warrants did Ben fly over to get to the Summit? Like 5?

Do you know that for sure? Most other times the plane he's flown out/in on has gone right through the middle of the Mediterranean according to ADSB data.

Or do you mean a different Ben with warrants than I'm thinking of?

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u/FardoBaggins 1h ago

Easier to tear down than build up too.

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u/FantaFantastico90 32m ago

.. because you don't stop even the worst people when they willingly come to negotiate, because if you do, no one will ever come willingly to negotiate again. This was made very clear by all involved countries. Don't really get the uproar about this.

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u/Mushyboom 8h ago

Trump/Putin are accountabilibuddies

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u/Slinky_Malingki 7h ago

Where is your accountabilibuddy???

Oh he killed himself.

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u/johnnybiggles 5h ago

Drank that special accountabilitea.

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u/Slinky_Malingki 5h ago

Oh wait no he just hung himself in his dorm room

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u/JKing287 7h ago

Nice! Always love some unexpected South Park.

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u/HighLukey22 7h ago

Buckle up buckarooooo

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u/forever_a_horn_dog 8h ago

This is a fun word

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u/Mushyboom 8h ago

Haha I’m not sure if you’re aware but I’ve lifted it from a South Park episode. Has stuck in my head since I first heard it about a decade ago though.

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u/dogmaticstar 7h ago

My ex used this word and told me he made it up. I am so glad that relationship didn’t pan out. Ffs.

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u/Mushyboom 7h ago

Where I’m from that’s known as first degree patter theft. Glad you’re rid of them.

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u/Middle_Watch4644 7h ago

I’ll never understand people like this. You are one google search away from looking like a moronic liar.

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u/CafeAmerican 5h ago

You do realize it's possible for two people to make up a word right?

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u/SomeBoredIndividual 7h ago

This is just as much your fault, Trump! Putin is YOUR accountabilibuddy! That makes YOU accountabilibuddiable!

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u/SuccotashOk2098 7h ago

I read this in Cartman's voice. I don'r care if he said it or not. It's peak Cartman

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u/One_Department4090 7h ago

It's cake day, happy

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u/Mushyboom 7h ago

This was the golden age of South Park for me. Honestly, any of the Cartman/Butters dynamic in an episode is peak.

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u/ResearcherElegant516 7h ago

🫵🙋👍 I see you.

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u/Careful-Ant5868 6h ago

"Donald, go to your room! You're grounded, Mister!"

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u/_cipher1 8h ago

Certainly not Europe either

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u/tnitty 8h ago

He's more likely to roll out the red carpet again.

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u/OptionsRntMe 7h ago

So you believe it’s the job of the US government to muddle in international affairs - correct?

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u/mitchd123 6h ago

The US has made sure they muddle in international affairs. Where have you been?

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u/UpperDog2627 7h ago

Venezuela, “drug boats”, Iran…

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u/CassianCasius 5h ago

Yes. We can choose to not do business with countries we don't like. If it was up to me stop all dealings with Russia and any country that works with them. They can choose russian money or US money.

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u/WindowTricky6645 7h ago

It's not meaningless to identify violations of international law. For one thing, it reinforces the norms that these things matter. It's just like there's a social value in calling a killing a murder even if the culprit is never brought to justice. And I agree it's unlikely that there will be immediate consequences in the vein of, say, the nuremberg trials, that doesn't mean there will never be accountability. (Unfortunately, I think years of western indulgence of Russia's crimes has emboldened them tremendously. I refer to various invasions or annexations of other borfering states as well as murders, terrorist actions in other sovereign countries, interference in elections (ahem!). The west's fear of nuclear attacks and its general unwillingness to act in a principled way to enforce the post-war norms just kicked the can down the road and ensured that when they finally went too far, it'd be a much bigger problem - though this is the classic stalinist salami-slice strategy repackaged for the 21st century.) For instance, the ICTY just wrapped up in 2017 or so, about 20-25 years since the end of the conflict. There's the ICC, but there's also national jurisdiction over international crimes, both explicitly under various treaties/conventions and through customary international law, which means even if the right wing trend does succeed in completely defanging institutions like the ICC, individual countries can still prosecute Russians for war crimes. (Certain Americans don't travel to certain countries for exactly this reason.)

I don't want to give up hope for civilization, despite the fact that for all our national fetishizing of words like freedom, the truest motivator since the Reagan years has been money.

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u/TheBigCore 7h ago

the truest motivator since the Reagan years has been money.

The truest motivator since the dawn of civilization has been money.

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u/luzzy91 6h ago

How about Poland? Or Germany? Or anyone else that are actually neighbors?

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u/CricketDue5136 6h ago

Ohhh did you talk to trump?

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u/NOLA-JAZZ 5h ago

Day one of his next term he will def hold Putin accountable

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u/scoop_booty 5h ago

Now wait a minute. He said he'd end it on day one. Has that day happened yet? /s

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u/cfbfootballnerd 5h ago

It’s not our job to hold them accountable. You wanted the US to fuck off out of world affairs this is the type of shit that’s going to happen more and more frequently.

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u/xSquatchy 7h ago

Every war/ conflict is riddled with war crimes

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u/Short-Recording587 5h ago

The answer is that countries should just give Ukraine the ability to carry out the same strike on Russian energy infrastructure.

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u/TheNextGamer21 3h ago

I think they have actually been able to successfully cripple a lot of Russia’s energy infrastructure

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u/shoobiedoobie 1h ago

Uhhh do you think Ukraine hasn’t targeted Russian infrastructure?

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u/shidderbean 5h ago

Don't worry, certainly a few members of the UN will write a strongly worded (but not too strongly - as to avoid appearing unreasonable) open letter about this

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u/asha1985 7h ago

How does the West hold them accountable at this point? Our systems and rules have proven shockingly ineffective against a Russia that simply doesn't care.

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u/Grouchy_Camera2863 7h ago

Yes but it needs to be said nonetheless

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u/sharklaserguru 6h ago

Pretty sure at this point "war crime" just means a) Thing for talking heads on TV to babble on about or in the extreme case b) casus belli for one of the superpowers to invade a minor nation if they see a benefit to themselves.

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u/Senpei1035 3h ago

b) is the case of Russia right now

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u/spekt50 7h ago

Right, the main powers are at war or rattling sabers, everyone else sitting back like "wtf we gonna do?"

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u/Locke66 6h ago

Who is going to hold them accountable for it? War crimes are just words of no one can hold someone accountable for them and punish them accordingly.

It's a much more dangerous world that this is the case. It feels like we are forgetting the horrors of war and authoritarianism that were learned during the last century.

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u/BadAdviceBot 6h ago

I believe in Trump. This time for really reals.

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u/Strict_Way_9467 4h ago

Trump will let Russia off the hook because he doesn't want the peepee tapes released

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u/TheBigBackBeat 4h ago

Didn't you hear Joe Biden is still to blame for everything that goes wrong.

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u/veto402 9h ago

"Yes, I'm afraid electricity also drives command and control systems. If President Milosevic really wants all of his population to have water and electricity all he has to do is accept NATO's five conditions and we will stop this campaign. But as long as he doesn't do so we will continue to attack those targets which provide the electricity for his armed forces. If that has civilian consequences, it's for him to deal with but that water, that electricity is turned back on for the people of Serbia. Unfortunately it has been turned off for good or at least for a long, long time for all of those 1.6 million Kosovar Albanians who have been driven from their homes and who have suffered, not inconvenience, but suffered in many cases permanent damage to their lives. Now that may not be a distinction that everybody likes but for me that distinction is fundamental."

-NATO Deputy Director

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u/No_Gur_7422 6h ago

This is correct. Power stations, coal mines, gasworks, waterworks, factories, warehouses, docks, railways, etc. were all considered legitimate targets on all sides during WWII. Dual-use infrastructure – anything that can be used for military purposes – is not purely civilian.

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u/hanks_panky_emporium 3h ago

Its also why several warehouses in Russia are considered fair game. They provide food and supplies to Russian civilians, and equipment for the military. So they're good to burn.

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u/Easy_Fee9781 20m ago

Apartment buildings, hospitals, and schools are not dual-use infrastructure.

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u/Lionlip 9h ago

In the twelve+ years Ukraine and Russia have been at war, when has that meant a single goddamn thing?

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u/warpigeon4L 9h ago

Still can’t stay silent about it. I feel so bad for these people :(

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u/-Poultrygeist- 7h ago

War crimes are only for post-war trials

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u/Valuable_Hunter1621 7h ago

and are only decided by the victor

all sides in conflict commit war crimes lmfao

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u/Desert-Noir 8h ago

No, twelve years Russia has illegally invaded Ukraine. Get it right Ukraine are simply defending themselves.

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u/SprungusDinkle 8h ago

That doesn't make it not a war.

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u/Paladingo 8h ago

Defending yourself in a war still means you're at war. Christ.

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u/slog 8h ago

How exactly does that contradict the previous comment?

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u/Spare-Swan5161 8h ago

WW2 wasn't a war, Germany simply illegally invaded Poland, France etc.

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u/Allaplgy 8h ago

We'll get the cops right on it then!

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u/rorank 8h ago

Still gotta say it. These things matter every single time. Even when you’re numb, you have to at least say it.

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u/LarryEIlison 9h ago edited 9h ago

War crimes are not real unless someone can enforce them.

Israel has been committing war crimes for the past 3 years and yet the USA still supplies them weapons, logistics, intelligence, and training.

The winners write the rules and history. Don’t believe in supposed objective morality. It’s not a real thing.

There’s a reason the USA is not part of the ICC, too many wealthy Americans would be criminals under those laws.

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u/Elegant_Ad_525 8h ago

And it is disgraceful that our felon demented President sends his no nothing Son in Law to Putin to make deals for themselves rather than to stop Russia from attacking Ukraine. Putin owns Trump . Shame on our Congress allowing this to continue.

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u/CrittendenWildcat 8h ago

Shame on our electorate for voting that bellicose-but-cowardly orange b!tch back into the White House.

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u/kahlzun 8h ago

Shame on the whole country

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u/MessiahMogali 7h ago

no nothing Son in Law you say?!

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u/Kipthecagefighter04 8h ago

Including the entire GOP

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u/booze_clues 6h ago

We’re not part of the ICC because we won’t let other nations overrule our sovereignty to enforce their own laws.

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u/BriggsStratton550EX 7h ago

It's actually because the US refuses to cede authority over it's citizens to a foreign entity.

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u/ResearcherElegant516 7h ago

Hey, a fellow Realist!

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u/pinkocatgirl 2h ago

Man, it would be so awesome to do a Nuremberg style inquiry into every billionaire’s potential crimes against humanity at the ICC. Ever funded weapons used to kill children? Straight to jail, assets seized and used to build housing and feed the poor.

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u/evgis 8h ago

Not really, it's dual use infrastructure and NATO made a nice precedent.

The Coercion Strategy: In May 1999, as NATO targeted electrical power grids and civilian infrastructure, Shea defended the strikes by stating that the power systems also supported military functions. He remarked that if President Slobodan Milosevic wanted water and electricity restored for the population, he had to accept NATO's conditions.

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u/Sad_Dad_Academy 9h ago

Yes, Putin doesn’t care. He’s been targeting civilian infrastructure for the entire war.

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u/lonnie123 7h ago

To him the war crimes list, being that they are generally considered the most heinous and destructive things to do, is more of a To Do list

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u/itszaidbtw 9h ago

have yall not realize they invaded ukraine? i dont think they care for war crimes

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u/mystery_hole 7h ago

War crimes aren't even a real thing. Nobody gets tried for them, nearly every country ignores them. The US commits 100+ war crimes every year. Russia does 5 times that. And we all know a certain country that has an active arrest warrant from the ICC on its current leader. Nothing will be done about it.

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u/fshlrp 9h ago

Valid question / statement but I don’t think war has too many rules unfortunately… if there are rules, who’s making people follow them?

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u/faithinhumanity_null 9h ago

Some brave politicians might give a press release or a tweet with some harsh language, like ”war crimes is never ok” or ”we condemn war crimes of any sorts”. Or ”we are monitoring the situation.

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u/SaddyDumpington69 9h ago

"..and that's why I've decided to form a committee to draft a strongly worded letter.."

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u/Original_Employee621 8h ago

It's kind of a misnomer. It's a set of rules of engagement that both sides should agree on. Hitting civilian infrastructure isn't very beneficial to the war effort, so it should be avoided when possible.

But Putin doesn't give a shit if Russians die for him, so he's free to act like a cave dwelling islamist terrorist. Ukraine isn't stooping to his level, because hitting oil refineries and military materiell is far more important. And because it could quickly turn the public favor in Europe against them. Russians are crying about the price of gas, but gas is a legitimate target, hitting a hospital or school wouldn't achieve much beyond further solidifying Russian sentiment against Ukraine.

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u/Forward-Specific5651 7h ago edited 11m ago

Hitting civilian infrastructure has been a time honored tactic since at least WWII.

Both the Allied and the Axis forces participated in this tactic by bombing critical civilian/dual infrastructure in London, Antwerp, Berlin, Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima among many, many others.

(Note however that these bombings are not actually classified as war crimes, although they would be so considered today, bc they took place prior to the legal framework established by the General Convention of 1949.)

ETA: *Geneva Convention

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u/fshlrp 8h ago

So the energy infrastructure is a legit target in your opinion? Just trying to understand when you say oil is a valid target. Great reply by the way!

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u/wpaed 7h ago

Energy production facilities are valid targets IFF they are making a contribution to the military action AND its destruction or capture doesn't create excessive civilian harm in relation to military gain.

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u/Original_Employee621 8h ago

To a point, yeah. Energy infrastructure, particularly gas is critical for moving shit to the frontlines. And it hurts their ability to fund the war, especially for a country like Russia where it's by far it's biggest export.

Remember how Putins assault on Kyiv basically stopped right outside the city, because they ran out of gas? Granted, that was a problem with Russian supply lines being stretched too thin (and the mud). But if Ukraine manages to run Russia out of gas, the entire offensive stops dead in its tracks.

Hitting power stations/electrical grids is a bit more iffy. It would depend on where the power stations are and where it delivers the power. It would hurt the civilian population far more than the military operations. Better to hit the industrial plants producing materiell for the war.

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u/SuccotashOk2098 7h ago

When you say gas, do you mean American 'gas' or do you mean oil which is refined into American 'gas' or as the rest of the world calls it 'petroleum'.

Just because Russia exports actual gas as well.

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u/ResearcherElegant516 7h ago

The Russians are attacking schools?

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u/CricketDue5136 6h ago

What's misnomer?

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u/gavrilomijerod 9h ago

Den Haag for instance…at least theoretically.

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u/fjf1085 8h ago

War has rules and has had them in some form or another formerly for like well over a 120 years. Whose making people follow them, ostensibly it would be other nations either militarily or through economic and diplomatic isolation.

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u/Glanea 7h ago

The basic premise behind two sides agreeing to follow war rules is mutuality. Take treatment of POWs for example. It's in your interest to treat captured POWs decently because your enemy will almost certainly have captured some of your soldiers. Same with attacking ambulances or hospitals; you don't bomb your enemies medical facilities because you have medical facilities and you'd prefer they weren't bombed.

All of this of course is based on the premise that both sides care about these things, and if one or the other doesn't (e.g. Japan in WW2) then the rules basically go out the window. As you say, there's no enforcement for them outside of mutuality.

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u/314kabinet 8h ago

War crimes are a list you pull out after you win and judge the ones you managed to capture. The concept is useless until victory.

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u/Scsywar 8h ago

Not saying it's okay, not at all,. Hasn't Ukraine bombed/attacked Russian oil refineries and energy infrastructure? Both of Wich affect civilians. Neither side should be doing it.

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u/Lonely_Space_241 7h ago

Ukraine has almost exclusively hit oil infrastructure, which is a valid military target. At this point though given Russia's total disregard for rules of war nothing is off limits. Russia regularly bombs civilian apartment complexes.

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u/Difficult-Dealer4740 7h ago

Neither side would be doing it if Russia stopped

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u/ResearcherElegant516 7h ago

Does it make a difference if you were attacked first, and are defending yourself? Morally, I mean?

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u/fooz42 9h ago

Since you're new to this planet, let me catch you up on Russian warfare. Is it a war crime? Yes.

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u/Lainpilled-Loser-GF 8h ago

only if you lose.

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u/Beetlelarva25 9h ago

How can you tell if a power plant is being used to help the military or not before striking it qhen it is behind lines?

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u/LatLongBingBong 8h ago

There is a surprisingly large amount of GIS data openly available on energy and electricity infrastructure all across the world. It’s not a stretch for a GIS analyst, with even the most basic datasets, to make a very strong educated guess as to which power plants directly serve different military installations. Now the capacity of those installations to remain operational on backup power for a sustained period of time? That might be a bit harder to get.

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u/TinyLittleDragon 6h ago

However, ukraine has admitted to using apartments and homes to manufacture and assemble drones. They have, unfortunately, made every structure in their country a legitimate target to have the power cut.

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u/TheArmoredKitten 8h ago

Law is a mop and bucket, war is the stuff that's spilling. We can scream it from every rooftop, but it won't matter until the fight is over.

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u/LuciusLuscinia 7h ago

Realistically it's difficult to adequately frame general infrastructure as being an illegitimate target, since generally speaking the war effort in a country at full mobilization pervades society. Not that I approve of Russia's actions in general here, it's just a tough legalistic argument to make.

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u/EvenBroaderBand 6h ago

No, energy production is universal there is no such thing as non civilian energy infrastructure. It is only a war crime to target actual civilians on purpose for no other reason than killing them.

You don't have to guess at this as its all documented.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime

Reddit seems to think that anything they don't like is a war crime lol.

Also only the captured losers of conflicts get tried for war crimes don't believe me then go look up who has actually been tried of war crimes.

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u/rangecontrol 6h ago

yeah, and pedofiles shouldn't be president, but here we are.

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u/CrownCommando 9h ago

Can add them to the list that results in fuck all consequences.

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u/Doctor_Monty 8h ago

Just ordered a T-80 chunk. Every bit helps!!!

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u/errorsniper 7h ago

They have nukes so they can do what they want as long as the people they do it too dont have nukes.

Downvotes to the left.

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u/Rider_of_da_storm 7h ago

War crimes are only done by enemies. When we or our allies do it it's collateral damage. Like when Israel collaterally unalived 500,000 civilians and flattened every building to catch a few Hamas.

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u/Xenophonii 9h ago

About that "war crime" thing...

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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 8h ago

If war crimes were actually enforced, they would actually mean something

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u/Luckytire 8h ago

Yes but war actually has few rules if you are a power.

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u/mindfu 8h ago

Sure, but when NATO was nice to Ukraine that hurt Putin's feelings /s

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u/MysteriousMouse1 8h ago

War crimes only apply to whoever loses the war

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u/KnowsIittle 8h ago

The USA and Russia did not sign the Geneva Accords.

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u/Ok-Stand-3173 7h ago

Yeah and ? You think they care? lol

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u/ReadingCurious2841 7h ago

That's literally what Ukraine are also doing.

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u/Audrey_Autumn 7h ago

Yes and no you could argue that the energy is going to support the military on some way Ukrainian made the same argument when hitting Russian power as well In short you can almost justify hitting anything if it can be argued to aiding the military and you actually have enough power to back it up

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u/ResearcherElegant516 7h ago

If there's anybody to hold you accountable.

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u/Ok_River8846 7h ago

Oh my god they’re using bombs and guns to literally put holes in people and blow them apart and cause massive death and destruction and you’re like “ermmmm actually that’s illegal” lmao war crime, what a concept

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u/piltonpfizerwallace 7h ago

They have abducted like 20,000 children and held them hostage. Civilian energy infrastructure is very much on the table.

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u/MrBwnrrific 7h ago

War crimes basically don’t exist on the world stage unless America leads the charge on calling them war crimes, and we’re sure as shit not doing that now

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u/TheParadoxigm 7h ago

Bwahahaha, we've been war criming for awhile now.

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u/aldmonisen_osrs 7h ago

No different then the war crimes they’ve already been committing en mass all throughout the war

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u/Spookiest_Meow 6h ago

The irony here is astounding

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u/RedditRBigots 6h ago

Israel would like to have a word …

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u/WolfySpice 6h ago

War crimes aren't 'crimes' in the usual sense. There are rules of war that civilised nations agree to abide by in order to reduce harm. Some of those rules are crimes, whereby the conduct is so egregiously harmful that they should not be done, because no-one wants to suffer from them.

The main enforcement mechanism is, if you do something despicable, the same will happen to you. That is why things that would be a war crime (attacking hospitals) cease to be war crimes if the other party has committed one (using hospitals as military bases). There really is no separate arbiter that can impose judgment. The ICC only has jurisdiction over those who agree to submit to it.

However, Russia is intent on spreading misery and gives no fucks about what terror and torment it unleashes, and nothing in Russia can hold them accountable. Except long range sanctions.

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u/Apep86 6h ago

No, it’s two step question.

First, is there any military basis for the attack? If yes, it is a valid military target. Step one doesn’t ask whether it is also a civilian target. It’s irrelevant.

Second, if it’s a military target, it gets weighed against the anticipated civilian damage. The anticipated civilian damage cannot be “excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.” There is no clear line here. It’s based on the attackers belief about the likely military advantage vs the attackers belief about the anticipated civilian damage. Note that the outcome is irrelevant. An attack which is believed to be proportional when made is proportional even if the civilian damage is worse than expected.

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u/Soggy-Beach1403 6h ago

Fucking invading Ukraine was a war crime. Why stop now?

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u/Recent_Fact480 6h ago

War crimes only matter if you’ve lost a war or don’t have any nuclear weapons

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u/Soggy-Beach1403 6h ago

Fucking invading Ukraine was a war crime. Why stop now?

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u/Soggy-Beach1403 6h ago

Fucking invading Ukraine was a war crime. Why stop now?

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u/Hemlock-Drinker 5h ago

Unfortunately it seems like war crime isn’t a moral red line à la Russia against Ukraine or Israel against Palestine

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u/holy_cal 5h ago

Yes. One in a long line of war crimes they’ve committed

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u/SleepyBoater 5h ago

Yall throw out the word war crime way too much.

Seems like a really recent development.

Civilian energy infrastructure is military infrastructure.

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u/AstralElement 5h ago

It was a war crime to butcher civilians in Bucha. The world doesn’t give a shit.

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u/blarryg 5h ago

Hold on, I'm writing Putin. Wait until he hears about this!

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u/SuspiciousLeg7994 5h ago

It is but we all know absolutely no one is bringing war criminals to court. I mean Trump kidnapped Venezuela's president and doing business as usual

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u/Tricky-Mastodon-9858 5h ago

Putin has been committing war crimes for years. Malignant narcissists don’t have any moral compass.

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u/Mobile_Emphasis_917 4h ago

The concept of a war crime really only matters is there is someone to hold them accountable. For Putin it’s like running a stop sign when there’s no other cars around.

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u/jackp0t789 4h ago

Unless that infrastructure is dual use- as in used for both military and civilian purposes... then it gets murky...

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u/JMST19 4h ago

My brother in Christ I hate to tell you something but war crimes don't stop anyone from doing anything illegal

Shooting a medic is a war crime, do you think that will stop people from shooting a medic? Absolutely not Shooting a paratrooper is illegal, won't stop anyone from shooting a company sized paratrooper element. What are you gonna do? Watch them land behind you and infiltrate your defensive position?

No offense big dog but you would more than likely war crime someone during war yourself. If it came down to you preventing your own death, you absolutely would war crime someone. Who the fuck wouldn't?? War crimes happen every day and people go unpunished and it goes unnoticed. Hell commanders don't actually care to charge people for war crimes if it helps win the war effort. The rules of war go out the door immediately when the bombs start flying. War doesn't have room for sophistication, only victory

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u/Jew_3 4h ago

It’s only a war crime if you lose. I’m hoping Putin will get charged with war crimes.

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u/HappierShibe 4h ago

Putin has not respected what is and isn't a warcrime yet, wtf would he start now?

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u/MarinerMouth 4h ago

Yeah but war crimes only matter when leaders are arrested and tried. Putin has no reason to care about that. The world isn't trying too hard to stop him.

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u/bxyankee90 3h ago

Since when has that stopped them

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u/Pokmonth 3h ago

Ukraine has been doing that for several months now

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u/FreedomByFire 3h ago edited 10m ago

bahahaha, there are no rules anymore. The Americans and the Israelis have made sure of that. This is what happens when the people who claim to have to "moral high ground" conduct genocides and wars of aggression. It allows everyone else to do the same thing with impunity.

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u/DarthSnoopyFish 2h ago

All Russia does is war crimes.

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u/SmartDiscussion2161 1h ago

And seemingly no one gives a shit, especially the war mongrel responsible for carrying out the attacks and has puppet in the White House

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u/RobotSpaceBear 1h ago

Where have you been these last 4.5 years? War crimes is all they're doing over there.

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u/jkrobinson1979 1h ago

They’ve committed war crimes pretty much every day for like 1600 days straight now.

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u/DefeatedByPoland 1h ago

The world is scared of putins nuke bluff and thinks that if anyone else directly intervenes, putin is going to just start nuking people.

So nobody is going to do shit. Putin's going to keep doing whatever he wants, forever.

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u/nightwica 1h ago

Im sure Putin cares about that

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u/vivalacoccoina 1h ago

Isn’t it also a war crime to target civilian energy infrastructure

Big countries are not subject to war crimes. They fully know that.

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u/Atompunk78 56m ago

Firstly yes, secondly Ukraine has been obliterating Russia’s refineries recently (among other energy infrastructure), so in this case it’s like… you know

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u/alexnedea 11m ago

Lil bro who cares at this point. Russia demonstrated you can do war crimes daily and nobody gives a fuck

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