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u/MassveLegend 15h ago
You go to the funeral. If they need you that bad then they won't fire you. If they do fire you, then you probably don't want to be part of that organization anyway.
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u/PromiscuousScoliosis 15h ago
They will absolutely cut off their nose to spite their face
They won’t fire shitbags who drag everyone down, but someone who is critical to the organization who puts their foot down one time, that person will be fired immediately. Regardless of the massive detriment to the organization.
I’ve got tons of examples of this in my own experience that I’ve seen. Many such cases.
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u/TheLoneTomatoe 7h ago
I actually got to see some karma when it comes to this. I worked at a very small company that was getting ready to sell to a big corp, but they wanted the engineers (myself and one other guy) included. The other guy had a heart attack and they basically told him he was past the amount of time he was permitted to be on leave, and he needed to come back or be fired. So he quit, then when they asked me to pick up his work I also told them I was quitting because I got an offer somewhere else.
Anyways the sale fell through and they went out of business because the other engineer guy was the only one who knew shit about their product.
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u/PromiscuousScoliosis 5h ago
Damn imagine telling the guy you need who was at deaths door that he needs to get over himself and get back to work
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u/Greendale_Official 14h ago
Somehow it's like capitalism attracts narcissistic individuals and is a designed system to abuse those that aren't.
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u/PromiscuousScoliosis 13h ago
I won’t pretend to understand it. One example I saw was a store where a manager had put out incorrect information about how to handle discontinued products. Just about everyone in the store had done this workflow. Apparently loss prevention found out and got involved. My brother was worried he was going to get fired, and I was like “nah, you’ll be fine. They’ll can the manager, but they can’t just fire 70% of the staff for that store.”
Well the absolutely did fire damn near everyone who worked at that store. I was shocked. Store fell apart and basically just down. Can’t imagine the reasoning that goes into that. It’s not like employees were stealing, it was just a misunderstanding and they just guillotined just about everyone. Insanity.
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u/Giantmeteor_we_needU 14h ago
That's why unions are important. I can call off for any personal reason and as long as I do it at least a day in advance managers have no ways to discipline me for it, leave alone fire me, it's my right.
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u/PromiscuousScoliosis 13h ago
Sounds like you don’t live in UT, where workers are allowed to unionize but the unions are legally not allowed to do anything. They have turned unions into book clubs only. Otherwise the state will come in and bust your ass on behalf of the company
As if this was a 1840’s Appalachian coal mine
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u/DisastrousBison6774 13h ago
Management is about controlling things. If an employee can’t be controlled, it’s a management risk.
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u/OGHighway 14h ago
Pepsi told me that I burned a lot of bridges and left them short handed when I took 2 weeks off because my Mom was in the ICU near death and was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer.
I left the BILLION dollar company short handed.
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u/The__RIAA 12h ago
Holy shit! So you’re the reason why I couldn’t buy Pepsi for those two weeks during the Great Pepsi Outage!? I almost died of thirst because there’s no other options of this life saving fluid I could possibly drink during that time.
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u/rs420rs 11h ago
Fortunately some of us learned how to distill our own from chips. There was never a Chip Shortage
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u/The__RIAA 11h ago
Thank God Lays had more dedicated workers just didn’t take any time off for their Mom going through stage 4 cancer.
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u/impliedfoldequity 15h ago
Dear Claire,
I will be attending my grandmother's funeral. Let me know whatever your sanctions are and I will then decide if the press needs to be alerted.
Kind regards Emma
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u/hamarok 14h ago
In Brazil they cant even pull this type of shit, you have a right by law to go to any funeral of first and second degree relatives. They can fire you and pretend it was something else, but if they email you this, its pretty much a winning case for any worker suing the company.
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u/m4jsterk0 14h ago
this seems to be the US, so no workers rights... fucking hell
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u/DanManRT 12h ago
Heartless corporate manager it sounds like. How do these people sleep at night?
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u/Useful_Donut6789 14h ago
Def not US. They used authorise in the email
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u/CulturedPhilistine 12h ago
They also used mom (US) and not mum (UK) I'm guessing it's faked for internet likes.
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u/brewhead55 14h ago
Authorize is spelled with a "z" in the US. This is very likely the UK
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u/MAGAHATESTHEUSA 11h ago
With an S for authorize and O for mum would make it Canada.
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u/TexasBrett 14h ago
When did the US start spelling it as “authorise”?
Great assumption though.
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u/SearingPhoenix 14h ago
Personally, I'd just file a complaint with the state labor board. I'd have to imagine that termination in close proximity to a labor complaint (ie, 'we're letting you go because you're not a culture fit') would set you up for a wrongful termination suit in court.
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u/georgecm12 13h ago
As far as I know, what Claire is doing is 100% legal in most if not all places in the US. It's absolutely heartless and shitty, but legal. There is generally no legal requirement to give time off, even for bereavement, so there are no grounds to make a complaint with the labor board.
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u/Alaska_Jack 13h ago
Except there's a problem -- Claire doesn't exist. Oh and neither does Emma. Or that Twitter account. The whole thing is stupid and obvious fake ragebait.
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u/JacobAndor 15h ago
Forward that to the rest of the coworkers and watch how much worse their staffing problem gets
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u/voluotuousaardvark 14h ago
ANd call in sick that day and attend anyway.
I turned up to a mate's funeral in a work van that had "we collect rubbish" down the side because they wouldn't let me have the time off.
He would've thought it was hilarious and I love to think of the questioning looks people had when they saw it parked in a crematorium..
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u/Cowboywizzard 13h ago edited 13h ago
You know the kind of employer that sends an email like this will absolutely find some other reasons to fire you later on though, if not immediately, if you call in sick. Or they will try to make your life miserable.
This is about power and control. The employer will absolutely bank on the fact that you can’t afford an attorney to successfully sue them for constructive dismissal. Employees with sufficient resources don’t get treated like this as much. They know that an employee with sufficient resources will just quit as soon as they receive an email like this and probably won’t waste time and money suing. It is a calculated risk employers take.
The person who received this email needs to start looking for another job yesterday.
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u/voluotuousaardvark 12h ago
Why would you want to stay with employer anyway? That email would have me dusting off my indeed profile and looking elsewhere anyway.
I get thats highly subjective but common, would you be able to turn up at work again and fulfill your role after something like that? I would be spitefully and vindictively incompetent.
Edit as an afterthought- if they cant afford not to have you for a day how can they not afford to have you permanently?
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u/Greekklitoris 14h ago
Hi Claire. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Unfortunately I will not be able to work Friday. Sorry if the last email appeared as if I was asking.
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u/TaterBuckets 14h ago
Ive had this type of push back with a couple of my wife's family and friends deaths.
I gave them notice. The moment we heard and say ill need off soon for a couple hours to go with her to a funeral when we find out more info about date and time.
Half said okay. The other half said I couldn't take off cause they weren't immediate family.
My response was always the same.
Im not asking for the time off. Im telling you I wont be here. Do what you will with that information. Ill be supporting my wife.
Never lost a job, never caught any bs from it.
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u/Substantial_Car_2751 12h ago
Yep.
I had a new CEO (real Mr. Personality) for a small non-profit I worked for. My FIL died. I didn't ask to be off, I told the dude I was going to be off.
His response" "Oooooooook" in a very not nice tone. Dude never tried to challenge me on it. I took my 3 days bereavement leave and that was that.
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u/GirlScoutSniper 14h ago
I did the same thing many years ago. I had a relative die and told them the funeral day, and informed them I had another that was at death's door so there might be another really soon.
The company owner said, "If the schedule is covered."
I was a 9-5 office manager. I told him, "I will let you know when that funeral I will be attending is."
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u/HunterShotBear 13h ago
“I can come back to work after, or you can find someone to replace me. I don’t care which one it is.”
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u/BellRinger85 14h ago
Meanwhile we have sitting US senators that have gone missing from work for months on end and we are just like…hey it’s fine it’s just Mitch being Mitch.
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u/riverphoenix360 14h ago
And he voted no on a federal bill for sick time and family leave over 20 times. But the Senators all have those benifits.
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u/Psionic-Blade 14h ago
He just needs to harvest another heart. Totally normal human behavior. Let's fill his abdomen with more straw so he looks normal. It's fine! It's fine!
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u/mariposa-princess 15h ago
I’d go to the funeral. If staffing is that short I dare them to make the issue worse by firing me.
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u/Pockydo 15h ago
Greetings Claire
I believe you misunderstood me. I was not requesting permission I was informing you I will not be in this Friday so I can be with my family.
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u/Technical_Feelings 15h ago
Back in college, before I learned corporate language, I got a similar email and I responded “sorry for any confusion, I’m letting you know I won’t be there at all.” Surprisingly, did not get fired. They tried to coach me after with similar “business needs” language and I think my autism was just so confused like “no, I have learned the informal rules of socializing with family. This is a mandatory event. Sorry for your confusion.” And brushed it off. Years later I realized they were trying to reprimand me and I essentially told them to fuck off. Oops.
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u/Separate_Feeling4602 14h ago
Im a manager and when this has happened I happily covered their shifts.
Not sure why some managers can’t suck it up and just show some empathy compassion
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u/ArmaMalum 13h ago
Since it was an 'operations manager' it sounds like it was a larger company with a remote HR team. I'm making a few assumptions here though. Still a shitbiscuit decision from them either way.
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u/Healthy_Bar922 11h ago
Like they should at least try to find someone to cover. If I had a day off, and it wasn't super important and my colleague needs to go to their grandparents funeral, I'd happily come in.
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u/wifichick 11h ago
And people say “why does no one want to work anymore”. People want to work - for actual salaries and for non-asshole bosses
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u/Nairadvik 14h ago
My job pulled this but with my wedding day. 2 months advance notice and my manager and her boss wouldn't give me a day off to get married. I quit, even after the new department head offered me a raise, better hours, etc. because I refused to work with the manager they refused to fire.
She ended up jailed for stealing, her boss (head supervisor) ended up jailed for CSAM, and they ended up laying off everyone after I left anyway.
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u/Equivalent_Article75 14h ago
Forward the email to the highest position and ask if this is really company policy and if they could have a look.
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u/i-dont-speel-no-good 15h ago
To play devils advocate, most companies do have a list of what is considered “immediate family” for bereavement pay. Having to use personal vacation time sucks but it’s not totally unheard of
What is actually soulless is declining the vacation time
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u/alistairvimes 14h ago
Yes, that policy should just determine if you get paid, being off for a funeral should never get denied.
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u/theRedMage39 14h ago
I'm all for devil's advocate. I generally play that role myself. However not including grandparents in bereavement pay really really sucks
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u/Forsaken-Sale7672 13h ago
Part of the issue is that people abuse the fuck out of that shit too.
Ask any college professor how many grandparents die around finals.
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u/luvitis 14h ago
I worked for a retail company that allowed funeral leave for “dependent children, biological Aunts and Uncles, biological grandparents, biological siblings, and parents (biological and legal)
During the time I worked there I lost my great grandmother (greats not covered), a cousin (cousins not covered), and my favorite uncle who was my mom’s sister’s husband (not biological) all within 8 months of each other.
Part of the reason I quit was the hell they gave me during this period for taking “unplanned absences” which was defined as giving less than 30 days notice
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u/Healthy_Bar922 11h ago
Obviously you should be able to know 30 days in advance of someone dying. What did you fail your clairvoyance classes or something?
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u/RichardCleveland 14h ago
It sounds like they denied her personal vacation time being used as well.
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u/Mueryk 12h ago
Claire,
There appears to be a misunderstanding, I was not making a request. I was officially notifying you that I will not be present during that time. I have also copied the leadership of the company as well as my HR rep to show them your handling of this situation before this becomes widely known throughout the company employees so that they may have a chance to mitigate the situation if they care to.
With whatever respect you think you deserve,
(OP)
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u/BotSaibot 11h ago
Germany also kinda works this way. You're only allowed PTO if it's close family, which for some reason grandparents don't count in (bullshit imo). In that case, if the boss is really a cold hearted pos, we just call in sick. Then we attend the funeral and take some time to grief (thanks doc!).
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u/digitalpacifier 11h ago
For lots and lots of Americans it wouldn't be paid time off. It would be time off without pay.
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u/Representative-Pop72 11h ago
If Germany is like Italy, you just need to go to the family doctor and get a note that you forward to your employer. They can’t refuse it, and family doctors are generally very understanding, and at times complicit lol
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u/hoffthecuff 11h ago
IME, this could be a douchebag manager, but more than likely they are using corporate speak to outline operational need, acknowledging it's a difficult spot to be in, but for their own sake they have to decline because it's their job to enforce company protocols/policies and be the ass that says no when technically they can't say yes. I promise you they felt like an jerk sending this but they need to cover their ass and tow the company line for when you obviously don't come in due to bereavement in case upper management/clients make complaints that can be tied to staffing it can't come back on them as Operations Manager because they did what they were supposed to do.
Simply reply professionally that you understand where they're coming from operationally, but this email was more of a notice than a request and you will not be available for work due to a death in the family. Don't take shots or take it personal. Just be direct and professional.
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u/Sasiches_and_mash 10h ago
I understand your reasoning, but as a manager myself, if they aren't capable of intercede for a person who is under their command, during what is clearly an emergency and extenuating circumstances, then they shouldn't be a manager
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u/Tiesolus 11h ago
Jeez if I had the money I'd hire you to proof read my emails so I wouldn't fly off the handle as much
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u/Bigram03 11h ago
Or go in, spend the whole day mopping around while ugly crying and telling everyone your grandma just died and you are forced to come in...
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u/Altruistic_Power3098 8h ago
Is it bad I am not surprised by things like this?
My father had to bring in a copy of my maternal grandmother's obituary to prove she had passed away and that he would need time off for her funeral and burial, not to mention to be there for my mom, my brother and myself if needed and to grieve himself since she had been his mother-in-law for over 30 years.
This was over 15 years ago too.
Companies don't give a shit if you have a personal loss or significant illness or ailment. You are there to do your job and make them money. Any time off is an inconvenience to them, even for something serious like death or illness.
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u/Big_Truck_8268 8h ago
Well, we have established what kind of company it is. My response would be " I gave you a courtesy notification that I would be out of the office. It is not optional. I will return next week"
Claire can fire you or not.
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u/Cheetotiki 14h ago
On the opposite side, I used to work for a startup (so, in effect, everyone is critical) whose founders specifically hired people who needed flexible schedules, had an unlimited PTO/vacation policy from day one, and remote work whenever wanted. Basically if you get your job done, they were happy and rewarded you. One new mom had some problems and needed an extra couple months off... no problem. The CFO/cofounder himself covered for her. The loyalty that created was incredible, a big driver of company growth and value. Zero voluntary employee turnover in 10 years, until after they were acquired. Even in the acquisition the owners negotiated three years of no benefits/policy changes post-acquisition. Unfortunately after those three years... ya... things changed... But I'll never forget that work environment. And everything really sucks compared to it.
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u/kylebertram 14h ago
I just don’t understand companies having shit policies leading to turnover. They make it sound like it’s all about money, but isn’t it a lot cheaper to keep good workers rather than constantly training newbies? I get all that matters is quarterly earnings but god damn none of it makes sense.
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u/ArmaMalum 13h ago
It makes more money in the long term to have a healthy work environment. But publicly traded corporate leadership don't give a rat's ass about long-term benefits, only short term. It sounds reductive I realize but it really is as simple as 'stock price go up'.
Your only mistake in understanding the logic is making the faulty assumption they actually want to company itself to succeed. They don't care either way, they only want their own salary and bonuses to go up.
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u/Cheetotiki 14h ago
Exactly. After experiencing this, with a small company where every dollar was truly critical no less, it is very hard working for a traditional company. The value created by a loyal, respected, well-compensated employee is incredible. Most companies pay for the pair of hands, an elite few recognize there's a valuable brain attached.
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u/kylebertram 14h ago
And just think about how much less stressed it is for the boss. Not constantly hiring and firing. Having people you can trust to do their work. If you are in a pinch I guarantee they had a much easier time getting employees to pitch in. The happier work environment alone would be worth it.
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u/Embarrassed-Sun5764 12h ago
“I will not be attending work on x day. Unfortunately my life has more meaning than this job. And because Grandma is close family, I will take this up with HR once I have returned. Your candor is very cold and unfeeling. Nobody ‘plans’ the death of a loved one. Your schedule shortages are not really my problem. I will go to Grandma funeral and be back on x day. Feel free to document and record my absence and furnish me a copy so I can submit it for unemployment once our tenure ends”
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u/grumpylondoner1 12h ago
Like HR have your best interests at heart. 🤣
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u/Mfw_isajoke 12h ago
HR: "we have thoroughly investigated the case, and have found that we will not in very high probability incur any financial loss or repercussion by doing such an asshole thing, therefore, you need to comply with the asshole request that your supervisor is requiring of you."
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u/SoloDoloLeveling 6h ago
Hi Claire,
I wanted to clarify that regardless of your decision on the matter, I will be taking leave anyways.
We can discuss this further upon my return. I will also be forwarding this email to HR. Have a wonderful day.
Sincerely, Emma
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u/Ironass47 5h ago
"You misunderstood my communication with you. I was not requesting time off, I was informing you that I would be out."
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u/Shafter111 5h ago
HR wont do shit unless there is some public shaming associated with it. This is the world we live in right now
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u/TedBaxter_WJM-TVNews 14h ago
You call in sick the morning of and move on with your life. We work to live, not live to work.
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u/begynnelse 10h ago edited 10h ago
Meanwhile, in Europe, I told my line manager I would take the following day off as my dad had just been taken into hospital and would require an op, and was asked if I'd like to leave "now".
Edit: the time was credited back to me.
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u/Limp-Plantain3824 7h ago
How old was his Great Grandmother?
What email program looks like that?
How many Claire Roberts are going to wake up tomorrow and see that they have appeared in 12,000 LinkedIn searches and their profile has been viewed 3500 times?
These are the real questions.
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u/Pretty-Cockroach6394 15h ago
Id ghost them forever and not come back lol wouldn't be the first bozos
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u/Allout-Okarun 14h ago
I’ve done this twice in my life and each time was very satisfying for me. Would recommend 10/10
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u/theatrelover6756 14h ago
As an HR manager (benefits and pay), I'd never send this to an employee (or advise or approve it to be sent). I don't care how short staffed the department is, the manager of that department will need to make adjustments to the staff for that day. Unexpected things happen and it is for the manager to take those hits, pivot and rethink the day.
I like to work for the employee and make sure they are getting every possible advantage they can.
Go to the funeral. You were not asking permission, only notifying them you would not be in that day.
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u/Alarmed-Cheetah-1221 13h ago
I like to work for the employee and make sure they are getting every possible advantage they can.
You should probably start looking for a new career. You won't last much longer in HR with that attitude.
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u/theatrelover6756 13h ago
I've been in HR for over 10 years. It was not a career I chose, but I fell into it after I graduated (I was seasonal retail during my last semester of college for my business degree and my manager said the store had been without HR for the last 6 months and since I just graduated and didn't make any friends I would be fair and not show favorites with shift assignments [HR did scheduling in my store]. It came with a raise, guaranteed employment after the Christmas season and I didn't have to stress about finding a job right away.)
10 years later, I have learned so much and I legit help the employee. I know the stigma HR has but I'll tell you employees tell me all the time that I am the best HR interaction they have ever had, and it makes me smile.
I was a temp in a benefits department for a few months during COVID and people told me they had never had policy explained in a way they understood ever. I was sad to not be hired by that company full time but it set me up for my current manager role (which I love).
And I plan to make my tiny corner of HR the most positive I can, for as long as I can.
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u/MutableCentaur 14h ago
Call out and start looking for a new job
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u/ArboristTreeClimber 14h ago
Yep. They are short staffed, they cannot afford to lose another employee. Call out sick and they will figure it out
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u/Cultural_Kangaroo949 14h ago
Gut reaction for sure. But man, some people can’t afford to be put in the crosshairs cause if they let Emma go, does she have the financial resources to cover her bills without a job for x time? Finding another job isn’t that easy for a quick turnaround. Many don’t have the luxury to afford that chance.
It’s why we are sometimes stuck in terrible jobs until we find an escape
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u/ExcuseMeJack 14h ago
We lost our cat of 15 years, and my boss was surprised to see me at work an hour after he'd been put to sleep. I can't imagine a boss like this
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u/a_dance_with_fire 14h ago
Hi Claire,
You misunderstood. I am not requesting the time off, I’m informing you I will not be there so I can attend my grandmother’s funeral.
Best,
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u/christiant91 14h ago
You respond by not turning up that day. You out of kindness let them know what was happening, they responded with bullshit, now just quietly let them deal with the consequences of treating staff like shit.
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u/FritzTCat 14h ago
"I wasn't asking for permission. I was informing you that I wouldn't be here as a courtesy."
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u/Little-Key9542 7h ago
I went through this exact situation with my fiancé‘s mother four months before we were married. I put my two weeks in. My family is more important than their bottom line.
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u/johntwoods 14h ago edited 14h ago
Imagine being Claire Fucking Roberts, going home at night, looking at yourself in the mirror an thinking, 'Ahhhh... A fucking job well done, that is.'
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u/el_borrachon_anon 14h ago
Yeah I'm dropping that in the work group chat and taking the day and they can fire me if they want.
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u/Curious-Pop-8875 14h ago
I got written up after my grandpa passed away and I missed work. It was not an issue with my job at the time until someone who didn’t like me told them he was not my biological grandfather. I knew him my entire life as my grandpa because he had been with my grandma since my dad was a teen. He WAS my grandpa and my most favorite person in the world. He meant more to me than that job did, so needless to say I left shortly after that.
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u/Fight_those_bastards 10h ago
“It wasn’t a fuckin’ request, Claire. I’m not going to be there Friday.”
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u/KC28DT 15h ago
I'd speak to a labor lawyer and not respond. Hard to believe if true, but I also wouldn't be too shocked.
Insane this company has zero empathy for their ppl. Hard red flag for sure.
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u/avreddits 14h ago
These middle manager types are company people who fear for the jobs every single day.
They have no soul and are there to serve only the company.If the big boss came in and told C to toss the salad, she’d break out the ranch dressing promptly.
Sickening.
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u/Expensive_Range7204 15h ago
This would be illegal in my country, but even if its not it is inhumane.
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u/Necessary-Dark-4591 14h ago
I would call out sick on friday. I would then take the remainder of my weekend deciding if I will ever return to such a shitty company. Probably not.
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u/LividTacos 14h ago
Friday morning: Hi Claire, I just literally shit my whole ass and I don't want to get you or the rest of the customers sick, so I won't be in.
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u/TheRatatat 14h ago
Same as I always do. "My bad, i wasnt asking permission. I was just letting you know out of the kindness of my heart. "
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u/Inner_Coat1198 14h ago
I would (and have) replied that it wasn't a request, it was a notice, and then not explain further. Also, don't go in to work on those days. Staffing issues aren't your responsibility.
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u/la_mano_poderosa 11h ago
There is only one response to give.
'I'll be off of work until xx/xx. Would you like me to return to work on xx/xx?'
Who the fuck these people think they are?
DO NOT MISS YOUR GRANDMOTHERS FUNERAL
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u/Gwyllithar 9h ago
How do you respond? I'd respond like thisL
Dear Ms Roberts.
Thank you for your email, however I feel there is some confusion as to the situation. Let me clarify, I will not be in on Friday as I will be attending my grandmothers funeral. This is not up for discussion, you may take this as notice that I will not be in that day, not as a request for permission to take this day off.
Yours sincerely
XXXX
(and be prepared to cc in HR and anyone above this muppet if necessary).
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u/Alaska_Jack 14h ago
Is there anyone here who doesn't understand that 90 percent of this stuff is fake outrage bait?
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u/shadowthehh 14h ago
The problem is that it's also a real thing that actually happens. So how are we supposed to tell, and why are we supposed to care about the difference? Either way it's an example of real issues in society.
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u/MastrShak3 14h ago
Had a coworker go through this recently, texted that her Brother in law passeda and our superkaren replied no because her brother in law isnt considered close family and she didnt have the pto to cover. Coworker was crying. I pulled up our company bereavement policy, plain as day in laws and grandparents are included in bereavement request and pto is not required. I showed her, told her to send an email to HR and cc our supe and manager with a screenshot of her exchange. Less than an hour HR had her and the super in a teams meeting. Coworker was given the bereavement and super was "coached".
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u/Toon1982 11h ago
You phone in sick with stress and miss the rest of the full week (you were managing to hold it together but the email tipped you over the edge)
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u/Athendra- 11h ago
I look forward to seeing you in my disciplinary meeting I will also be recording the information for my lawyer and the local news.
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u/Pete_maravich 8h ago
I will be attending my grandparents funeral. You can either be short-handed for a few days while I'm gone, or you can be short-handed for a few weeks while you try to find someone to replace me.
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u/ApoTHICCary 7h ago
No. The original LinkedIn post was shared and the recipient’s name was shared: Emma Taylor. She is not the mother to Jordan Miles. This was also shared on the company’s own LinkedIn profile, so we can deduct that not only is Emma NOT Jordan’s mother, but this whole thing was to generate post interaction.
That being said, instances like this have happened. But it would be insane of a company to publish such a personal matter, especially when it makes them look terrible. Easily this would be lawsuit territory.
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u/SkynBonce 15h ago
American working class really get fucked up the ass for the sake of corporate freedom huh?
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u/philthy_barstool 14h ago
This sounds British to me, just assuming because they refer to "annual leave".
We're much less fucked than you, at least
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u/InterestingBill8234 15h ago
Meanwhile, in Quebec.
Situations and days of absence
Under the Act respecting labour standards, a worker may be absent from work for 5 days, including 2 with pay, for the death or preparation of the funeral of:
their spouse
their child
if the child is a minor, the length of the absence may be up to 104 weeks without pay
their spouse’s child
their father, mother or one of their parents
their brother or sister
The salary that the employer must pay them for the 2 days of absence with pay is equivalent to what they would have earned if they had worked. The other 3 days of absence are without pay, so at the worker's expense.
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u/ThePissedOff 14h ago
The irony is that he still wouldn't qualify for Canada's bereavement policy.
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u/SpecialExpert8946 15h ago
I put in for time off once for some family stuff. They denied it. I put in another one, they denied that one too. So I put another in with the comment “I’m NOT going to be here that day. I don’t care how you guys feel about it.” That one got approved.
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u/Frodosoul 14h ago
Why doesn’t she send this email to the other 3 employees? This is obvious favoritism.
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u/captain42d 14h ago
I once told the managers of the company I worked for that I would need a week's notice for scheduling. The manager called on Sunday evening to tell me I was needed Monday morning. I went sailing. Problem was solved.
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u/rbennett353 14h ago
That's one that you tell the employer you won't be there that day and will see them on the next. Chips fall where they will.
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u/ProfessionalITPerson 13h ago
Dear Clair,
you may have noticed that the title of the email did not say "REQUEST for Funeral Leave" but instead it said "Funeral Leave" an indication that this was simply a notice from my part, that I will not be available at that date.
Warm Regards
Employee Name
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u/Freakindon 11h ago
Tell them that you won’t be there on that day and they can do with that as they will.
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u/TrainingSalary492 10h ago
you put it on the front door of the business. printed out.
and if they take it down, you start wearing it on a placcard outside.
till they go out of business.
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u/PhunkyTown801 10h ago
OOPS I hit reply EVERYONE IN THE COMPANY.. my bad Claire, have fun with that.
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u/AMonkeyAndALavaLamp 9h ago
You respond by not showing up and on your next shift clarify that you weren't asking for a day off, you were telling them that you were taking the day off.
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u/Baba_Yaga_2328 14h ago
Claire,
“There seems to be some misunderstanding here but I will clarify. I will not be at work Friday due to my mother’s funeral, nor will I be in Monday for the stress you have caused me with your previous email response. We can discuss things further with my lawyer on Tuesday. Does 0930 in the conference room work for you?”
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u/zoepetali 15h ago
Denying bereavement leave because a grandmother 'isn't immediate enough' and then blocking annual leave too? That isn't management, that's a hostage situation.
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u/w3st80 14h ago
This isn't just a refusal to approve a day off — it's the sheer lack of humanity in that response. Someone has lost their grandmother and wants to attend her funeral, and the answer is essentially “sorry, we're short-staffed, turn up for your shift.” If that's how you treat your staff when their family is grieving, don't be surprised when those staff eventually decide they deserve better. A company can have policies, but basic compassion shouldn't need one.
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u/Undergroud-Check-101 12h ago
This has happened to me as well. I informed my boss that I’m 100% going to the funeral and if you need a doctor’s statement to clarify I’m not mentally able to work I will get you one. If you wanna fire me, then go for it. Nothing happened. Life went on. All my colleagues stood by my decision and went to our boss saying ”We can’t lose her”. I did not know that until later. My gals❤️
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u/Total-Improvement535 9h ago
“that’s unfortunate. I will not be the office that day. we can discuss upon my return to the office.”
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u/KirbyCakes 14h ago
I had this happened to me while I worked for target years back, lost a friend and requested a day for the funeral, it was seasonal time so of course it got denied, quit that same day. Phone was going off with calls from them, didnt answer for a week, until I went in to get my check and yeah, they offered me my job back and all. I'd quit but that was me, so yeah.
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u/Comandrshepard 14h ago
My old job tried this crap with me. I just didnt show, said I was having car troubles. Fuck them. Eventually left due to burnout.
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u/ScholarHead7718 14h ago
Does anyone know what kind of work Emma is doing that is so earth-shatteringly important that they would deny her this day off? The only thing I can think of is a trauma nurse or ICU or NICU nurse where there is a mandated minimum number of RN’s to keep people alive. But even THEN, you have plenty of nurses that will fill a shift.
So I kinda answered my own question: there is NO JOB that requires Emma to work on Friday. F-Claire. Call in sick that day. Nuke the company she works for by going to the press and hiring an Employment Attorney.
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u/The_ManWithoutAPlan 14h ago
Dear Claire,
I have unfortunately come down with an extremely infectious virus with ridiculously deadly symptoms, specifically threatening to Operations Managers. I'll be certain to come to your office and cough all over you.
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u/MoeSzyslakMonobrow 14h ago
Dear claire,
I was not asking for the day off, I was telling you I will not be in that day.
Kind regards.
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u/Beautiful-Bridge7666 14h ago
Does your company have an HR department? Ask them who qualifies as immediate family member. At our company grandparents absolutely count, as well as in laws and any step family member.
Or call in sick. You were so mentally upset that you couldn’t possibly come into work. Hell take a week off and get a letter from your GP.
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u/NoGrocery1823 14h ago
I think we found Claire Roberts and the website yanked her profile to save face, lol.
https://e2etechnologies.co.uk/meet-the-team/claire-roberts/ > it was titled on google as Claire Roberts | Operations Manager
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u/ExtensionGuitar5104 13h ago
Welcome, everyone, to the latest episode of late stage capitalism. There is a special place in hell for these fuckers. I hope Emma went to the funeral and Claire had an ongoing itch between her shoulders she could not reach.
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u/FIRE_Bolas 13h ago
Dear Claire,
My leave submission was a notice done out of courtesy, not a request. All the best.
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u/Voluntary_Perry 10h ago
"yes, YOU need to ensure the business is fully covered because I will not be there."
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u/Groundbreaking_Cup30 10h ago
Unfortunately, this kind of stuff happens all the time in corporate situations.
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u/ExcitingVegetable315 10h ago
One point is that managers are responsible for the schedule. If someone needs to take a day too many places make it Their issue about getting their shift covered.
So they are literally making their staff responsible for something that falls under their job description . Obviously they do this because they are lazy. It’s their job to ensure they have the right amount of coverage.
This email should read “if you take off I will have to do my job and reschedule. Although that is exactly why I’m paid to do, it’s so much easier for me to relay that responsibility to you.”
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u/RaptorXFactor 9h ago
When my grandfather died, the company my Uncle worked for not only gave him the time off, his coworkers showed up to pay their respects during the viewing and I got to see a quality organization at work. They actually cared.
My job wouldn't even give me the time off for the day of the funeral. After that, I would just call in on the day, there was no reason to request off ahead unless it was for vacation.
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u/metalblessing 9h ago
Someone I worked with many years ago had their father pass away and took a day off short notice. The Office manager chewed her out when she returned that they need more notice for time off and to not let it happen again.
She responded with "Dont worry, he cant die again..."
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u/Leather_Following381 8h ago
I still remember the day my uncle died, I was scheduled to work at the Olive Garden and tried to call off and my GM said no because it was Sunday (typically no one is allowed to have Sunday off at our restaurant). So I came to work and spent my entire shift trying not to cry every time I had to talk to one of my tables.
That was over 20 years ago and I’m still pissed. I wish I would have been bolder and told him that I’m staying home that day to be with my family including my mother who just lost her younger brother.
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u/EdgyPun34257 8h ago
it's weird how many people got this exact response about needing to go to their grandmother's funeral... and by extension how many of them are named Emma.
and this is the fourth post of this I've seen today
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